Boring Co. Drops LA Westside Tunnel Plan • Hacker News Board

Re: Boring Co. Drops LA Westside Tunnel Plan

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Post by sschueller » Wed, Nov 28, 2018, 2:28 PM UTC

leesec wrote: post #12

imglorp wrote: post #6

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I'm curious about the continued negativity on this. Hasn't he pretty much accomplished everything he has said? Batteries, cars, solar, space, it's all working.

Honestly, I cannot help but get frustrated even though I know I shouldn't. How are people rooting against this person? Do they not want space exploration/green technology/incredible cars/transportation innovation/globally accessible satellite internet/self driving cars/etc? I don't even really understand where the hate comes from, because he missed a few deadlines, because he dreams big? I'm sure his critics have mis…

The issues is not that we don't want these things. People cheer for NASA and you hardly ever read anything negative about those missions.

Elon is why people complain. He rubs a lot of people the wrong way with this tweets and attitude. You can be diplomatic and move things forward or you can be abrasive like Elon and also move forward.

Re: Boring Co. Drops LA Westside Tunnel Plan

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Post by L-11 » Wed, Nov 28, 2018, 2:29 PM UTC

leesec wrote: post #12

imglorp wrote: post #6

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I'm curious about the continued negativity on this. Hasn't he pretty much accomplished everything he has said? Batteries, cars, solar, space, it's all working.

Honestly, I cannot help but get frustrated even though I know I shouldn't. How are people rooting against this person? Do they not want space exploration/green technology/incredible cars/transportation innovation/globally accessible satellite internet/self driving cars/etc? I don't even really understand where the hate comes from, because he missed a few deadlines, because he dreams big? I'm sure his critics have mis…

No one here seems to be rooting against Elon. They're pointing out that digging tunnels under a city involves more than technological innovation.

Re: Boring Co. Drops LA Westside Tunnel Plan

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Post by rbongers » Wed, Nov 28, 2018, 2:29 PM UTC

leesec wrote: post #12

imglorp wrote: post #6

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I'm curious about the continued negativity on this. Hasn't he pretty much accomplished everything he has said? Batteries, cars, solar, space, it's all working.

Honestly, I cannot help but get frustrated even though I know I shouldn't. How are people rooting against this person? Do they not want space exploration/green technology/incredible cars/transportation innovation/globally accessible satellite internet/self driving cars/etc? I don't even really understand where the hate comes from, because he missed a few deadlines, because he dreams big? I'm sure his critics have mis…

If he keeps being so reckless, he risks messing up all of those great things.

Re: Boring Co. Drops LA Westside Tunnel Plan

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Post by AchieveLife » Wed, Nov 28, 2018, 2:29 PM UTC

leesec wrote: post #12

imglorp wrote: post #6

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I'm curious about the continued negativity on this. Hasn't he pretty much accomplished everything he has said? Batteries, cars, solar, space, it's all working.

Honestly, I cannot help but get frustrated even though I know I shouldn't. How are people rooting against this person? Do they not want space exploration/green technology/incredible cars/transportation innovation/globally accessible satellite internet/self driving cars/etc? I don't even really understand where the hate comes from, because he missed a few deadlines, because he dreams big? I'm sure his critics have mis…

Most people are afraid of change and don't confront their internal fears rather externalize it.

Re: Boring Co. Drops LA Westside Tunnel Plan

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Post by jbaczuk » Wed, Nov 28, 2018, 2:30 PM UTC

Is it just me or is it ironic that the reason for cancelling is environmental impact, when the tunnel would help alleviate congestion and smog due to gasoline-powered traffic?

Re: Boring Co. Drops LA Westside Tunnel Plan

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Post by johnnyfaehell » Wed, Nov 28, 2018, 2:32 PM UTC

sschueller wrote: post #21

leesec wrote: post #12

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Honestly, I cannot help but get frustrated even though I know I shouldn't. How are people rooting against this person? Do they not want space exploration/green technology/incredible cars/transportation innovation/globally accessible satellite internet/self driving cars/etc? I don't even really understand where the hate comes from, because he missed a few deadlines, because he dreams big? I'm sure his critics have mis…

The issues is not that we don't want these things. People cheer for NASA and you hardly ever read anything negative about those missions. Elon is why people complain. He rubs a lot of people the wrong way with this tweets and attitude. You can be diplomatic and move things forward or you can be abrasive like Elon and also move forward.

> You can be diplomatic and move things forward or you can be abrasive like Elon and also move forward.

Just curious, can you name some people who have been diplomatic and managed to move things as far forward? I honestly can't think of many actual achievers that have been diplomatic about things.

Re: Boring Co. Drops LA Westside Tunnel Plan

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Post by moduspol » Wed, Nov 28, 2018, 2:33 PM UTC

sschueller wrote: post #9

ABS wrote: post #4

Earlier quoted context omitted.

have you read the reason why this was dropped?

"review of its potential environment impact" Kind of ironic that the man who for many is seen as saving the planet with his electric vehicles is trying to avoid an environment impact study.

I think it's either incredibly naive or willfully misleading to frame this as simply "wanting to avoid an environment impact study."

It could more accurately be described as, "concerned and organized opposition taking every available legal step to delay and increase the costs of the project under the guise of genuine and valid concern." And succeeding, as it seems.

Although it's tough for me to feel too sorry for Californians being negatively impacted by a complex and bureaucratic legal nightmare that enables exactly this kind of NIMBYism.

Re: Boring Co. Drops LA Westside Tunnel Plan

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Post by vinceguidry » Wed, Nov 28, 2018, 2:33 PM UTC

sschueller wrote: post #21

leesec wrote: post #12

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Honestly, I cannot help but get frustrated even though I know I shouldn't. How are people rooting against this person? Do they not want space exploration/green technology/incredible cars/transportation innovation/globally accessible satellite internet/self driving cars/etc? I don't even really understand where the hate comes from, because he missed a few deadlines, because he dreams big? I'm sure his critics have mis…

The issues is not that we don't want these things. People cheer for NASA and you hardly ever read anything negative about those missions. Elon is why people complain. He rubs a lot of people the wrong way with this tweets and attitude. You can be diplomatic and move things forward or you can be abrasive like Elon and also move forward.

History is built by people like this. Every mover and shaker in the world has had strong opinions and the ability to get people behind them. This pisses off the people that want to see the world stay the same or at least within their own parameters.

It takes a certain kind of person to do what Elon does, and the personality is non-negotiable, apparently.

Re: Boring Co. Drops LA Westside Tunnel Plan

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Post by newyankee » Wed, Nov 28, 2018, 2:33 PM UTC

emiliobumachar wrote: post #17

traditionalist wrote: post #10

Why doesn't Musk take his business elsewhere where he's welcome? I can imagine LA being a nightmare for this sort of project. He needs a place where bureaucracy is thinner and people are actually excited about everything new.

Any suggestions? China comes to my mind, but that comes with a whole other can of worms.

India has a lot of potential, unlike China much of the infrastructure needed for the population still does not exist.

A connection from Mumbai to New Mumbai under the sea like NYC comes into mind. The problem is i doubt given the experimental nature (still) the govt. will be bold enough to try it

Re: Boring Co. Drops LA Westside Tunnel Plan

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Post by Sumaso » Wed, Nov 28, 2018, 2:33 PM UTC

rbongers wrote: post #23

leesec wrote: post #12

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Honestly, I cannot help but get frustrated even though I know I shouldn't. How are people rooting against this person? Do they not want space exploration/green technology/incredible cars/transportation innovation/globally accessible satellite internet/self driving cars/etc? I don't even really understand where the hate comes from, because he missed a few deadlines, because he dreams big? I'm sure his critics have mis…

If he keeps being so reckless, he risks messing up all of those great things.

In what way is anything he does reckless? His tweeting? Do you think that is going to "mess up all of those great things"?