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CDC Food Safety Alert: E. Coli Outbreak Linked to Romaine Lettuce

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Re: CDC Food Safety Alert: E. Coli Outbreak Linked to Romaine Lettuce

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The other day, my wife introduced me to yet another difference between Chinese cuisine and US cuisine: She cooked the Romaine lettuce she got from her coworker. She just cooked it like you'd cook Bok Choy. It was quite good! My wife also rinses everything we get from the store. No one is to be trusted with your family's food. Absolutely everything is rinsed, including things most Americans would really rather not. On…

Rinsing is good at /gorse/ cleaning, getting the really big obvious, bad to chew, things off.

The cooking is the part that actually sanitizes the food.

Re: CDC Food Safety Alert: E. Coli Outbreak Linked to Romaine Lettuce

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It seems like this happens all the time. I really wonder what the implications of this will be to companies like Chipotle, who use Romaine Lettuce exclusively. Personally, I am more of a fan of Iceberg, but it just makes me wonder why E. Coli is much more common in Romaine than in Iceberg. Any thoughts?

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#23

The other day, my wife introduced me to yet another difference between Chinese cuisine and US cuisine: She cooked the Romaine lettuce she got from her coworker. She just cooked it like you'd cook Bok Choy. It was quite good! My wife also rinses everything we get from the store. No one is to be trusted with your family's food. Absolutely everything is rinsed, including things most Americans would really rather not. On…

Many restaurants in China serve cooked lettuce as a side, I found it quite odd at first but it's really tasty and with some soy sauce easy to eat by itself. Cooking lettuce in the western world will probably raise a few eyebrows.

I’ve gone to a few restaurants in the US that do a cooked version of a caesar salad that’s quite good. I’ve made it myself, too. Grill whole heads of romaine until they’re blackened and wilting, then dress and shave parmesean on them.

Well ... don’t do that now, I guess. But once the red alert is over, it’s pretty tasty.

Re: CDC Food Safety Alert: E. Coli Outbreak Linked to Romaine Lettuce

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It seems like this happens all the time. I really wonder what the implications of this will be to companies like Chipotle, who use Romaine Lettuce exclusively. Personally, I am more of a fan of Iceberg, but it just makes me wonder why E. Coli is much more common in Romaine than in Iceberg. Any thoughts?

My guess is that more folds make it harder to clean properly.

Re: CDC Food Safety Alert: E. Coli Outbreak Linked to Romaine Lettuce

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It seems like this happens all the time. I really wonder what the implications of this will be to companies like Chipotle, who use Romaine Lettuce exclusively. Personally, I am more of a fan of Iceberg, but it just makes me wonder why E. Coli is much more common in Romaine than in Iceberg. Any thoughts?

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Re: CDC Food Safety Alert: E. Coli Outbreak Linked to Romaine Lettuce

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It seems like this happens all the time. I really wonder what the implications of this will be to companies like Chipotle, who use Romaine Lettuce exclusively. Personally, I am more of a fan of Iceberg, but it just makes me wonder why E. Coli is much more common in Romaine than in Iceberg. Any thoughts?

> wonder why E. Coli is much more common in Romaine than in Iceberg. Any thoughts?

Romain grows in sprouts while iceberg grows round, effectively in its own shell

> Personally, I am more of a fan of Iceberg,

The U.S. shifted from Iceberg to more Romaine as a way to have more flavor, nutrition in their lettuce than mostly water.

Re: CDC Food Safety Alert: E. Coli Outbreak Linked to Romaine Lettuce

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It seems like this happens all the time. I really wonder what the implications of this will be to companies like Chipotle, who use Romaine Lettuce exclusively. Personally, I am more of a fan of Iceberg, but it just makes me wonder why E. Coli is much more common in Romaine than in Iceberg. Any thoughts?

Forcing workers to drag a "porta potty" through lettuce fields so farmers don't have to pay for the restroom breaks could be causing this.

http://crownservicesco.com/wp-content/uploads/2016/09/Ag-and...

Re: CDC Food Safety Alert: E. Coli Outbreak Linked to Romaine Lettuce

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It seems like this happens all the time. I really wonder what the implications of this will be to companies like Chipotle, who use Romaine Lettuce exclusively. Personally, I am more of a fan of Iceberg, but it just makes me wonder why E. Coli is much more common in Romaine than in Iceberg. Any thoughts?

I wonder if there could be a good tech solution where lettuce samples would be tested s part of the packaging pipeline.

Re: CDC Food Safety Alert: E. Coli Outbreak Linked to Romaine Lettuce

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The offending strain in both the current outbreak, and a major outbreak in June, is E. coli O157:H7, which is a less common strain typically associated with cattle or other livestock.[1] CDC analysis (also helpfully linked by craftyguy) of the previous outbreak of this strain, which hospitalized or killed people in 36 states, found that the source was contaminated canal water used for irrigation near Yuma AZ.[2] A large CAFO (Confined Animal Feeding Operation) exists upstream nearby.[3] You can see it from space in satellite imagery. It is interesting to view the orientation of this CAFO to Gila River, and to zoom in to the level of individual cattle to get a sense of it's scale and topographic orientation.

Determining the source of water contamination is outside of the scope of office of CDC. EPA is responsible for this, but I can find no evidence of investigation of the source canal contamination. Perhaps EPA is becoming more “business friendly.”

[1] https://en.wikipedia.org /wiki/Escherichia_coli_O157:H7#Natural_habitat

[2] https://www.cdc.gov/ecoli/2018/o157h7-04-18/index.html

[3] https://www.google.com/maps/place/McElhaney+Cattle+Company/@...

Edit: FDA published an environmental assessment on Nov. 1. They also attributed contaminated canal water as a possible cause. That assessment included "limited" samples (I can't figure out what kind of samples) from the CAFO, which found no matching e coli strain. The authors state that the assessment occurred several weeks after the growing season ended.

"It is uncertain how the outbreak strain of E. coli O157:H7 was introduced into this 3.5-mile stretch of irrigation canal water. The first illnesses in this outbreak occurred in March 2018, and therefore the outbreak strain may have been present in the irrigation canal months before the EA team collected the positive samples, or the outbreak strain may have been repeatedly introduced into the irrigation canal. A large concentrated animal feeding operation (CAFO) is located adjacent to this stretch of the irrigation canal. The EA team did not identify an obvious route for contamination of the irrigation canal from this facility; in addition, the limited number of samples collected at the CAFO also did not yield the outbreak strain. Other possible explanations for how the irrigation canal became contaminated are possible, but the EA team found no evidence in support of alternative explanations.

Growers suggested weather events in the Yuma growing region may have contributed to crop contamination. The EA team considered the possibility that leaf freeze damage and dew on romaine leaves created conditions favorable for windborne contamination of the crop with dust carrying the outbreak strain of E. coli O157:H7. While this type of STEC contamination has been demonstrated (Berry et. al, 2015), it does not explain the presence of the outbreak strain in a free-flowing irrigation canal months later when there was little wind in the region."

https://www.fda.gov/Food/RecallsOutbreaksEmergencies/Outbrea...

Re: CDC Food Safety Alert: E. Coli Outbreak Linked to Romaine Lettuce

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post #29

The offending strain in both the current outbreak, and a major outbreak in June, is E. coli O157:H7, which is a less common strain typically associated with cattle or other livestock.[1] CDC analysis (also helpfully linked by craftyguy) of the previous outbreak of this strain, which hospitalized or killed people in 36 states, found that the source was contaminated canal water used for irrigation near Yuma AZ.[2] A la…

Long to short, the "pollution" from large scale factory animal farming is poisoning the downstream vegetable farming. Is that it?

Given the disconnect between the FDA and the EPA can't the CDC step in? Is there no authority at the state level?

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