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NY state tax break is $48k per Amazon HQ job

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Re: NY state tax break is $48k per Amazon HQ job

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It implies only negative, doesn't it also has a lot of positive to it, like economic growth?

I totally agree with this position, as it will lead to job in the surrounding area. The overall tax revenue the local government receives will dwarf the incentives. But all I've seen online is short-sighted criticism.

Re: NY state tax break is $48k per Amazon HQ job

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post #17
post #7

This is such a great deal for NYC As the article says, they give up $1.5B over 10 years, but then get "Projected incremental tax revenue of more than $10 billion over 20 years." I dont know where that comes from but the payroll and property taxes paid by 25k employees dwarves the incentives. The most important part is it cements NYC as the main tech center on the East Coast. That is invaluable. EDIT: I wonder if NYC…

That $10 billion likely assumes all new staff. There are going to be many current NYC citizens who simply switch jobs to Amazon. Therefore they won't contribute any incremental tax increase. Only if their previous employer rehires their position will a net new position be created.

Why would their tech sector employer not rehire for their position?

Re: NY state tax break is $48k per Amazon HQ job

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post #17
post #7

This is such a great deal for NYC As the article says, they give up $1.5B over 10 years, but then get "Projected incremental tax revenue of more than $10 billion over 20 years." I dont know where that comes from but the payroll and property taxes paid by 25k employees dwarves the incentives. The most important part is it cements NYC as the main tech center on the East Coast. That is invaluable. EDIT: I wonder if NYC…

That $10 billion likely assumes all new staff. There are going to be many current NYC citizens who simply switch jobs to Amazon. Therefore they won't contribute any incremental tax increase. Only if their previous employer rehires their position will a net new position be created.

Why wouldn't the previous employer rehire though? Unless the employee is someone who was just sitting around and not contributing to the company.

Re: NY state tax break is $48k per Amazon HQ job

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We should never accept standalone numbers. They are incredibly deceptive and don't tell the whole story.

1. What is the return that NY is going to get from increased tax revenue?

2. What is the time period that $48,000 is going to be "paid out" over?

3. How many jobs does this bring to NY? What's the average salary of those jobs?

Context is king, but doesn't make for sensational headlines.

Re: NY state tax break is $48k per Amazon HQ job

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post #6

It implies only negative, doesn't it also has a lot of positive to it, like economic growth?

Well, each NYC resident pays 48000 one time to get back 30000 per year for 10 years is not something that HN would upvote into the front page.

$48,000 is the cost per job, not the cost per resident.

Re: NY state tax break is $48k per Amazon HQ job

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post #7

This is such a great deal for NYC As the article says, they give up $1.5B over 10 years, but then get "Projected incremental tax revenue of more than $10 billion over 20 years." I dont know where that comes from but the payroll and property taxes paid by 25k employees dwarves the incentives. The most important part is it cements NYC as the main tech center on the East Coast. That is invaluable. EDIT: I wonder if NYC…

But wouldn’t many of those people have lived there and paid taxes anyway?

Not without tech companies paying them to live there, no. As romantic as living in NYC is, tech workers wouldn't live there without tech jobs.

Re: NY state tax break is $48k per Amazon HQ job

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post #17
post #7

This is such a great deal for NYC As the article says, they give up $1.5B over 10 years, but then get "Projected incremental tax revenue of more than $10 billion over 20 years." I dont know where that comes from but the payroll and property taxes paid by 25k employees dwarves the incentives. The most important part is it cements NYC as the main tech center on the East Coast. That is invaluable. EDIT: I wonder if NYC…

That $10 billion likely assumes all new staff. There are going to be many current NYC citizens who simply switch jobs to Amazon. Therefore they won't contribute any incremental tax increase. Only if their previous employer rehires their position will a net new position be created.

I find it hard to believe that 25,000 people are moving jobs and their previous employers are saying "we're not replacing them."
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