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Re: Google May Have to Get Used to Third Place in the Cloud

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Post by thanatropism »

writepub wrote: post #19
lalos wrote: post #8

Microsoft will reap the rewards of supporting XP and Office for decades, that wins enterprise trust & goodwill, and clients will expect that from Azure. On the other hand, every month we have a new product/service of Google being deprecated (officially or by raising prices). Even if it's technically better, the most sane business decision from enterprise would be to bet on Microsoft for support reasons. Microsoft tal…

Where are you getting this "price hike" narrative for Google from? Google's presence in the cloud market is instrumental in across the board price drops.

Google Maps left probably thousands of small, barely viable projects with their shorts down and no belt.

Re: Google May Have to Get Used to Third Place in the Cloud

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Post by mmcconnell1618 »

WestCoastJustin wrote: post #12
partiallypro wrote: post #6

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Explain, how it is horrible from a tech perspective? (hint: it's not) Edit: I'm getting downvoted, but no one as of yet has shown how Azure is built on horrible tech compared to its peers. It's just a flat lie, none of the big 3 are built on horrible tech. It's just being dishonest and is basically fanboyism/hatred of one party. You can argue about UI you like or don't (I prefer Azure) you can argue about APIs, their…

The UI is, um, lets say, very unconventional for non-windows folks. It is extremely sluggish compared to AWS or GCP. As in, each page takes several seconds+ to fully load vs AWS/GCP. Maybe this is just for me, or an IE vs Chrome issue or something, I'm not sure. The horizontal panning in the UI is pretty strange for the uninitiated too. Everyone else, the entire internet pretty much scrolls up/down on a web page but…

Enterprises tend to automate cloud deployments once they've gotten past the initial phases. Comparing UI is valid but also compare the Restful APIs, SDKs and template driven automation tooling across clouds.

Re: Google May Have to Get Used to Third Place in the Cloud

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Post by partiallypro »

dijit wrote: post #16
partiallypro wrote: post #6

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Explain, how it is horrible from a tech perspective? (hint: it's not) Edit: I'm getting downvoted, but no one as of yet has shown how Azure is built on horrible tech compared to its peers. It's just a flat lie, none of the big 3 are built on horrible tech. It's just being dishonest and is basically fanboyism/hatred of one party. You can argue about UI you like or don't (I prefer Azure) you can argue about APIs, their…

> (hint: it's not) Speaking as an SRE who less than 1yr ago was tasked with evaluating public clouds as burstable capacity for our traditionally bare metal server infrastructure; this comment is flippant at best and harmful at worst. Azure is absolutely not comparable to the others, their performance characteristics are nowhere near consistent between equivalent specification instances, their API's are equally incons…

How exactly is saying Azure isn't based on "horrible tech," "harmful?" None of the big cloud providers are based on "horrible tech." Your statement provides anecdotes but no data that proves this as "harmful."

Honestly, it sounds like you just don't like Microsoft more than an even keel observer.

Re: Google May Have to Get Used to Third Place in the Cloud

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Post by [deleted] »

metildaa wrote: post #14
partiallypro wrote: post #4

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Google also wraps GSuite into Cloud revenue, and Amazon wraps their competitor into Cloud revenue. So, it's not misleading.

What does Amazon offer for a cloud office suite though? I have never heard of one despite living in Seattle, where we see all kinds of failed Amazon expansions.

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Re: Google May Have to Get Used to Third Place in the Cloud

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Post by rdp36 »

metildaa wrote: post #14
partiallypro wrote: post #4

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Google also wraps GSuite into Cloud revenue, and Amazon wraps their competitor into Cloud revenue. So, it's not misleading.

What does Amazon offer for a cloud office suite though? I have never heard of one despite living in Seattle, where we see all kinds of failed Amazon expansions.

They have email and web conferencing -- https://aws.amazon.com/workmail/ https://aws.amazon.com/chime/

I am not sure about https://aws.amazon.com/workdocs/ (sort of an office suite?)

Re: Google May Have to Get Used to Third Place in the Cloud

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Post by puzzle »

writepub wrote: post #19
lalos wrote: post #8

Microsoft will reap the rewards of supporting XP and Office for decades, that wins enterprise trust & goodwill, and clients will expect that from Azure. On the other hand, every month we have a new product/service of Google being deprecated (officially or by raising prices). Even if it's technically better, the most sane business decision from enterprise would be to bet on Microsoft for support reasons. Microsoft tal…

Where are you getting this "price hike" narrative for Google from? Google's presence in the cloud market is instrumental in across the board price drops.

Probably from the AppEngine change of almost a decade ago or the double Maps bumps (the big shrinking of the free tier years ago, then another one in 2018). Usually those are adjustments to make prices match reality.

Re: Google May Have to Get Used to Third Place in the Cloud

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Post by arctux »

writepub wrote: post #19
lalos wrote: post #8

Microsoft will reap the rewards of supporting XP and Office for decades, that wins enterprise trust & goodwill, and clients will expect that from Azure. On the other hand, every month we have a new product/service of Google being deprecated (officially or by raising prices). Even if it's technically better, the most sane business decision from enterprise would be to bet on Microsoft for support reasons. Microsoft tal…

Where are you getting this "price hike" narrative for Google from? Google's presence in the cloud market is instrumental in across the board price drops.

The Google Maps API is a good example. They increased prices by an order of magnitude while simultaneously decreasing the free tier with one month's notice. [0]

[0] http://geoawesomeness.com/developers-up-in-arms-over-google-...

Re: Google May Have to Get Used to Third Place in the Cloud

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Post by writepub »

thanatropism wrote: post #21
writepub wrote: post #19

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Where are you getting this "price hike" narrative for Google from? Google's presence in the cloud market is instrumental in across the board price drops.

Google Maps left probably thousands of small, barely viable projects with their shorts down and no belt.

Google maps is NOT a part of Google cloud!

https://cloud.google.com/products/

Re: Google May Have to Get Used to Third Place in the Cloud

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Post by azurezyq »

lalos wrote: post #8

Microsoft will reap the rewards of supporting XP and Office for decades, that wins enterprise trust & goodwill, and clients will expect that from Azure. On the other hand, every month we have a new product/service of Google being deprecated (officially or by raising prices). Even if it's technically better, the most sane business decision from enterprise would be to bet on Microsoft for support reasons. Microsoft tal…

Product has their lifecycle. Nothing lives forever even for AWS/Azure.

In GCP, if a product is GA, deprecation got announced ahead of time and customers got notified and workarounds generally there.

Enterprise products and consumer products are very different and subject to different terms. Please do not consider them as the same thing. (I really think that Google should name Google Cloud something else under Alphabet.)

Re: Google May Have to Get Used to Third Place in the Cloud

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Post by metildaa »

rdp36 wrote: post #25
metildaa wrote: post #14

Earlier quoted context omitted.

What does Amazon offer for a cloud office suite though? I have never heard of one despite living in Seattle, where we see all kinds of failed Amazon expansions.

They have email and web conferencing -- https://aws.amazon.com/workmail/ https://aws.amazon.com/chime/ I am not sure about https://aws.amazon.com/workdocs/ (sort of an office suite?)

I would be hard pressed to find other Seattle businesses that use either of those products, perhaps some marketing would help with uptake.
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