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CDC director warns that Congo's Ebola outbreak may not be containable

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Re: CDC director warns that Congo's Ebola outbreak may not be containable

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Post by natch »

yanoz wrote: post #12
bluetwo wrote: post #6

Seems like a bigger problem than a bunch of migrants slowly walking towards the southern border.

This doesn't seem like a problem to the welfare of Americans at all, while the caravan is. I presume that's the reason it's not in the news. Also the Ebola scare was already sold back in the day and in the end nothing important happened, so it's going to be hard to sell this. (If you're going to downvote please provide an argument, thanks.)

You asked for reasons along with any downvotes. I'm here to oblige you.

Contrary to what has been reported in the Fox News / Trump Birds bubble, the people in the caravan have expressed their intention to follow a fully legal process of applying for asylum.

As to why people lawfully applying for asylum might be a problem, I don't think it is a one. You may agree... or if you disagree, I would point out the fact that such acts follow a long tradition of lawful immigration to the United States, one which has built our country from some of the most motivated people in the world. But you may be laboring under the false assumption that they are intending to enter the US illegally.

Based on the amount of false information being pushed by people with a lot of money and very loud voices, it seems likely that your opinion that the caravan is a problem may be based on this particular misunderstanding of what's going on... that you think they plan to enter illegally.

If not, we're in a different conversation entirely, about what America is at its core.

Re: CDC director warns that Congo's Ebola outbreak may not be containable

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Post by lamarpye »

craftyguy wrote: post #17
yanoz wrote: post #14

Earlier quoted context omitted.

"better for the economy" doesn't always translate to better lives for the laymen. Also you have to understand some people don't want immigrants at all. But I was just giving a reason as to why this isn't on the media. No point on making this political.

> "better for the economy" doesn't always translate to better lives for the laymen. It arguably does far more times than it doesn't. > Also you have to understand some people don't want immigrants at all. Putting aside the fact that 99% of the time they are decedents of immigrants, I've yet to hear one compelling reason why they should be taken seriously.

"Consent of the governed?"

EDIT: Good to see the down votes

Re: CDC director warns that Congo's Ebola outbreak may not be containable

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Post by akimball »

lamarpye wrote: post #16
craftyguy wrote: post #13

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> This doesn't seem like a problem to the welfare of Americans at all, while the caravan is. [citation needed] Immigration is pretty much required for a healthy economy[0] 0. https://www.usnews.com/news/best-countries/articles/2017-07-...

Sure. We have a huge shortage of unskilled labor in the US, if this shortage isn't addressed, it might put upward pressure on wages for unskilled workers. We can not allow this to happen to the ownership class

Who will wipe you when you are 97? Hard to find a citizen to do it.

Re: CDC director warns that Congo's Ebola outbreak may not be containable

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Post by natch »

yanoz wrote: post #20
craftyguy wrote: post #17

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> "better for the economy" doesn't always translate to better lives for the laymen. It arguably does far more times than it doesn't. > Also you have to understand some people don't want immigrants at all. Putting aside the fact that 99% of the time they are decedents of immigrants, I've yet to hear one compelling reason why they should be taken seriously.

Whether you think that they should be taken seriously or not is irrelevant; they are citizens with a right to vote so their concerns are valid. Not taking people seriously and not listening to them over uncontrolled immigration is what led to Brexit. It is a serious problem for many people for a variety of reasons.

Having a right to vote does not automatically make all concerns, including false and deluded ones, valid.

Yes concerns should be listened to, and if the people have utterly ludicrous concerns, the people should be educated.

Re: CDC director warns that Congo's Ebola outbreak may not be containable

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Post by lamarpye »

akimball wrote: post #23
lamarpye wrote: post #16

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Sure. We have a huge shortage of unskilled labor in the US, if this shortage isn't addressed, it might put upward pressure on wages for unskilled workers. We can not allow this to happen to the ownership class

Who will wipe you when you are 97? Hard to find a citizen to do it.

Keep the unskilled labor tight, put upward pressure on wages for unskilled labor.

Re: CDC director warns that Congo's Ebola outbreak may not be containable

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Post by cududa »

findyoucef wrote: post #8

I didn't even realize there was recent outbreak. This hasn't been in the news at all.

It’s been reported on for months in major outlets, just not with the fervency of last time. Find new news sources or pay closer attention to your existing ones behind the outrage cycle.

Re: CDC director warns that Congo's Ebola outbreak may not be containable

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Post by housingpost »

craftyguy wrote: post #17
yanoz wrote: post #14

Earlier quoted context omitted.

"better for the economy" doesn't always translate to better lives for the laymen. Also you have to understand some people don't want immigrants at all. But I was just giving a reason as to why this isn't on the media. No point on making this political.

> "better for the economy" doesn't always translate to better lives for the laymen. It arguably does far more times than it doesn't. > Also you have to understand some people don't want immigrants at all. Putting aside the fact that 99% of the time they are decedents of immigrants, I've yet to hear one compelling reason why they should be taken seriously.

I see that you’re not making any distinction between legal controlled immigration and illegal uncontrolled immigration. I think it’s arguable that illegal uncontrolled immigration is worse, and I’d start the argument by pointing to the condition of various communities in the United States that have the highest percentages of illegal immigrants.

Re: CDC director warns that Congo's Ebola outbreak may not be containable

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Post by tzakrajs »

yanoz wrote: post #14
craftyguy wrote: post #13

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> This doesn't seem like a problem to the welfare of Americans at all, while the caravan is. [citation needed] Immigration is pretty much required for a healthy economy[0] 0. https://www.usnews.com/news/best-countries/articles/2017-07-...

"better for the economy" doesn't always translate to better lives for the laymen. Also you have to understand some people don't want immigrants at all. But I was just giving a reason as to why this isn't on the media. No point on making this political.

Actually, the way we gain quorum on what is better for the laymen is an incredibly political subject.

Re: CDC director warns that Congo's Ebola outbreak may not be containable

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Post by lamarpye »

natch wrote: post #21
yanoz wrote: post #12

Earlier quoted context omitted.

This doesn't seem like a problem to the welfare of Americans at all, while the caravan is. I presume that's the reason it's not in the news. Also the Ebola scare was already sold back in the day and in the end nothing important happened, so it's going to be hard to sell this. (If you're going to downvote please provide an argument, thanks.)

You asked for reasons along with any downvotes. I'm here to oblige you. Contrary to what has been reported in the Fox News / Trump Birds bubble, the people in the caravan have expressed their intention to follow a fully legal process of applying for asylum. As to why people lawfully applying for asylum might be a problem, I don't think it is a one. You may agree... or if you disagree, I would point out the fact that…

Every single person in the caravan has expressed their intention to follow a fully legal process for applying for asylum? That is good to know, I guess there isn't any chance that they are lying or they don't understand the asylum process.

Thank you for not adding to the false information being pushed by people with money.

Re: CDC director warns that Congo's Ebola outbreak may not be containable

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Post by ams6110 »

coldcode wrote: post #15

The real fear is that one person makes it out of the area and into another part of the world, similar to what happened in Dallas. The more people are infected in that area the more the odds of escape go up. Any place in the world can wind up with an outbreak within a short time. Given the response of the hospital in Dallas, it's very likely most medical facilities would not recognize Ebola before transmission had alr…

I'd think (hope?) that any hospital ER is trained to recognize hemorragic fever when it presents.
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