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Re: iPhoto 11 upgrade problems

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Post by rbanffy »

jmreid wrote: post #7
solutionyogi wrote: post #5

And as expected, Mr. Gruber downplays this terrible, terrible bug. http://daringfireball.net/linked/2010/10/25/castro-iphone If Microsoft (or Adobe) released an update to the software which wiped out data as precious as your personal photos, I am sure he would not talk about backups, but thrash the company.

I upgraded two libraries to iPhoto 11 without a single issue. One was 40,000 pictures and the other was 5,000.

The immense majority will experience no issue, as it would be expected that any bug that creates data loss would be a release blocker and, had it been verified during development, it would have been hunted down implacably.

Chances are it didn't manifest itself before.

For what I know of Steve's reputation, I wouldn't like to be in the iPhoto team right now.

But then, I would always keep the photos as separate files on a directory tree with the metadata in a single file. This way, the chances of a catastrophic data loss would be very slim.

Re: iPhoto 11 upgrade problems

#22

Post by fletchowns »

semipermeable wrote: post #19

I hardly think it's worse than antennagate. The iPhone's antenna issues caused so much of a stir because they impact the basic usage of the device. Is iPhoto such a core piece of MacOS functionality that this bug will make people stop buying Macs? Then again, the timing along with the iPhone screen lock bug could have been better...

How is taking pictures and saving them on a computer not a core piece of how a lot of mac users use their computers? Not to mention losing precious data like personal photos that cannot be replaced is far worse than a dropped call.

Re: iPhoto 11 upgrade problems

#23

Post by treblig »

tptacek wrote: post #15
solutionyogi wrote: post #12

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Actually, I wasn't complaining. Just observing. I don't know why I should not be allowed to note all the instances where Gruber's bias show up.

Here's a hint: you didn't just spot another elusive occurance of the fabled Gruber bias. He wears it on his sleeve.

Sleeve? It's damn near tattooed on his arm :)

Re: iPhoto 11 upgrade problems

#26

Post by thegreatcurve »

tptacek wrote: post #10
solutionyogi wrote: post #5

And as expected, Mr. Gruber downplays this terrible, terrible bug. http://daringfireball.net/linked/2010/10/25/castro-iphone If Microsoft (or Adobe) released an update to the software which wiped out data as precious as your personal photos, I am sure he would not talk about backups, but thrash the company.

Seriously, you can't take a Mac advocate's casual blog post, post it here yourself , and then argue that it isn't fair and balanced enough. It is not Jon Gruber's job to shout from the rooftops when things go wrong with Apple products. And chances are, if it is a real problem, there will be a starred long-form blog post forthcoming from Gruber describing it in more detail. This is among the more tiresome recurring co…

It is not Jon Gruber's job to shout from the rooftops when things go wrong with Apple products.

No, it's not, but given the influence that his blog has, being widely read both inside and outside Apple, it's a real shame that he doesn't. It would be a wonderful thing if he held Apple to account more often.

Re: iPhoto 11 upgrade problems

#27

Post by tptacek »

thegreatcurve wrote: post #26
tptacek wrote: post #10

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Seriously, you can't take a Mac advocate's casual blog post, post it here yourself , and then argue that it isn't fair and balanced enough. It is not Jon Gruber's job to shout from the rooftops when things go wrong with Apple products. And chances are, if it is a real problem, there will be a starred long-form blog post forthcoming from Gruber describing it in more detail. This is among the more tiresome recurring co…

It is not Jon Gruber's job to shout from the rooftops when things go wrong with Apple products. No, it's not, but given the influence that his blog has, being widely read both inside and outside Apple, it's a real shame that he doesn't. It would be a wonderful thing if he held Apple to account more often.

This makes no sense to me. He practically started the blog to write glowing things about Apple. He has the influence has has because he is an extremely good writer; he's tight, pithy, is relentlessly creative, and has a unique voice; he's also very well-sourced, which sets up a virtuous cycle for him. He didn't get his donation as a line item grant from the Corporation for Public Broadcasting and he doesn't owe us anything.

I actually don't agree with the narrative that Gruber is a shill, but even if we stipulate that he is to avoid an unproductive argument: so what?

Re: iPhoto 11 upgrade problems

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Post by aeontech »

thought_alarm wrote: post #16

Nice headline. Digg may be dying, but its spirit clearly lives on.

Heh, I'm a newbie submitter, request forgiveness. It just struck me that this is a much worse problem in terms of user impact than any problems with antenna, I suppose I overdid it with the headline. It won't let me edit it any more, otherwise I'd try to fix it.

Re: iPhoto 11 upgrade problems

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Post by YooLi »

solutionyogi wrote: post #9
killdashnine wrote: post #6

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I upgraded my 30gb photo album to iphoto '11 yesterday w/o any issues at all

I am sure there are cases where upgrade didn't cause any issue. That doesn't mean all these other reports are invalid. In fact, I was going to make another comment asking about how can bug like this happen. I am sure that Apple QA team tested the upgrade functionality and they didn't find it. I am really finding it hard to imagine what kind of corner case the code ran into, which caused deletion of precious data. EDI…

Edit: never mind. Misread.

Re: iPhoto 11 upgrade problems

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Post by ZeroGravitas »

tptacek wrote: post #27
thegreatcurve wrote: post #26

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It is not Jon Gruber's job to shout from the rooftops when things go wrong with Apple products. No, it's not, but given the influence that his blog has, being widely read both inside and outside Apple, it's a real shame that he doesn't. It would be a wonderful thing if he held Apple to account more often.

This makes no sense to me. He practically started the blog to write glowing things about Apple. He has the influence has has because he is an extremely good writer; he's tight, pithy, is relentlessly creative, and has a unique voice; he's also very well-sourced, which sets up a virtuous cycle for him. He didn't get his donation as a line item grant from the Corporation for Public Broadcasting and he doesn't owe us an…

I've read Gruber for years, and it used to be a mix of "interesting stuff in the Apple world", "Kubrick/Baseball/BBedit/Applescript/typography nits" and "criticisms of Apple" (usually centred around lack of attention to detail, interface annoyances or not being faithful to the pre-OS X way of doing things).

As an Apple owner and fan, I enjoyed reading those intelligent criticisms. Clearly this has changed, but lets not go rewriting history.

The last line of his first blog post:

"But if it’s the latter — that is, if pro users are giving the finger to Mac OS X — things could get ugly."

I wonder why he felt more able to criticize them when they were "beleaguered" than now, when they're on top of the world. Possibly it's no more than being a crotchety OS 9 user thrust into the strange and uncomfortable world of early OS X. Some evidence of that here:

http://daringfireball.net/2002/09/welcome_indeed

On the other hand maybe he's checked his stats and found that trolling pays better.

And just for fun here's some claim chowder from one of his early posts:

"a vaporware Apple-branded mobile “iPhone” is getting a lot traction. Go ahead and read it, but remember that it’s all bullshit speculation at this point."

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