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Re: Gab.com Booted from Hosting Provider Due to User Account

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You're arguing a tangential point. Why is it okay to say - "kill all whites" and the platform let's you be but not okay for a user to say "kill jews" and the platform boots the user and yet gets booted itself.

Move along sockpuppet.

Please don't make ad-hominem attacks, you're hurting HN as a community.

Re: Gab.com Booted from Hosting Provider Due to User Account

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I don't visit Gab, but I will definitely be closing my Joyent account. If you're not a courageous and principled defender of free speech, you should get out of the cloud business.

The US standard for what is legally free speech is absurdly low. Why should companies hold themselves to it? Why should they force themselves to support organizations that promote the wholesale elimination of other classes of people?

Re: Gab.com Booted from Hosting Provider Due to User Account

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I'm not even white, nor do I honestly "admire" white people per se. But it seems perfectly okay to say- "kill all white people" on twitter. Only recently Australian parliament voted against a symbolic motion- "It's okay to be white". And nobody seems to raise a finger. I mean fucking white people ruined Asia, sure. But it had nothing to do with their skin color and it was the ancestors. Somehow gab is the bad guy her…

Absolutely nothing in Twitter's policies supports your argument.

https://help.twitter.com/en/rules-and-policies/hateful-condu...

Re: Gab.com Booted from Hosting Provider Due to User Account

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I have been following the issue of Internet polarization since 2014 [1], and I propose two different ways to mediate the situation on a societal level:

- Have a neutral platform to facilitate discourse and mutual understanding. This is hard as it requires a largely informed populace.

- Complete segregation of groups having different opinions. This proves to be also hard because of incidents like this.

[1] https://paradite.com/2014/11/11/internet-polarized-society/

Re: Gab.com Booted from Hosting Provider Due to User Account

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I like free speech, even if I do not agree what they are saying. Although, a hosting provider could stop their service if they do not like it I suppose, although I think they should not do so unless it causes technical problems such as 100% CPU usage or stuff like that, although I am not saying they do not have the right to ban them, only that my opinion is to don't. But, you could just use a different hosting provider, I suppose. One hosting provider will not necessarily be available forever anyways.

Re: Gab.com Booted from Hosting Provider Due to User Account

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The usual lynch mobs (which FB & Twitter allow on their platform) reported it en masse I'm guessing. This works well for getting conservatives banned on social media because their report systems are somewhat automated, but it also works for domains and email providers. I think they recently got Gab booted off Azure too.

"Lynching" is a terrible term to use for filling out an online abuse form, while there have been 11 people murdered by a white supremacist.

Yes. The victims at Tree of Life today were victims of lynching, not the platform on which the lynching was promoted.

Re: Gab.com Booted from Hosting Provider Due to User Account

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Gab hosts many, many, white supremacists. It has become a dumping ground for every social network's rejects...the people who've been booted from Twitter, reddit, etc (platforms that have been criticized for being slow to remove hate speech and incitement to violence, etc.) have congregated on Gab. This isn't a free speech issue, it is an issue of whether Joyent wants to have responsibility for spreading that kind of…

You're arguing a tangential point. Why is it okay to say - "kill all whites" and the platform let's you be but not okay for a user to say "kill jews" and the platform boots the user and yet gets booted itself.

That's not the conversation I'm having.

Surely, you can see that a sustained effort to recruit for racist violence, and an ongoing celebration of racist violence, by people who have a history of racist violence, is not comparable to a joke about killing white people by someone who is not organizing to commit violence against white people or celebrating the death of or violence against innocent white people. The fact that you know enough about the situation to make that comparison, but still ask that question...means that I can't trust the sincerity of your question.

Re: Gab.com Booted from Hosting Provider Due to User Account

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Joyent is a private company, they can choose to refuse doing business with anyone they like to, I think this was confirmed (by supreme court) a few weeks ago when some baker refused the business of a gay couple. (That decision is protected by the same first amendment that Gab claims to be protecting! Brilliant really.) However, for everyone looking to host at Joyent: Beware they might cancel on you, too. And giving a…

It doesn't seem like this scenario should make you nervous unless your platform is a venue for discussing genocide.

Re: Gab.com Booted from Hosting Provider Due to User Account

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You're arguing a tangential point. Why is it okay to say - "kill all whites" and the platform let's you be but not okay for a user to say "kill jews" and the platform boots the user and yet gets booted itself.

There is no credible threat against white people as a group. Those who say this generally do so as a way to raise awareness of the very real threats posed by white supremacists, not as a real threat. Taken in context, the distinction is easy to make.

As a non-white person who is wholly unsympathetic to the ideas espoused by white supremacists, partly out of reasons of self preservation, making statements such as "kill all whites" doesn't seem like a particularly good method of raising awareness of the dangers posed by hateful and bigoted ideologies. Then again I don't spend much time on Twitter so maybe such statements are able to lead to constructive dialogue there.

Re: Gab.com Booted from Hosting Provider Due to User Account

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Let's get real for a second here: gab courted neo-Nazis and became a refuge for anti-semitites and racists precisely because that was their target user base. Gab's pearl-clutching about anti-semitism is about as genuine as an arsonist's complaints about smoke. I will not miss gab, nor will I miss it's fetid assortment of wastrels. The best thing I can say about gab is that their pathetic shrieks at least made me laugh.

Oh, and "Free speech" has nothing to do with forced hosting for assorted terribles. This is one of the most persistent and irritating misinterpretations of the first amendment. "Free speech" covers the government and the government alone.

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