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Re: Tiny doses of magic mushrooms can boost your problem-solving skills

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Post by lucozade »

pinusc wrote: post #10

Link to the full study: https://www.biorxiv.org/content/early/2018/08/08/384412 I have not read it completely yet, but it seems it lacks any sort of blind trial and control group; hence, it fails to account for placebo effect. Given the nature of the experiment, I believe placebo effect could have significantly altered the results.

Yeah, no blinding, no placebo, in the field, small sample size and at a drug related event.

At best, this falls into the "quite interesting should probably do a proper follow up" pile.

One interesting line from the study. It says "that we did not use a control group (for obvious ethical and practical reasons)". Practical I get, there were only 38 of them in total. But ethical? What are the ethical concerns with not giving people a micro dose of hallucinogenic truffles?

Re: Tiny doses of magic mushrooms can boost your problem-solving skills

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Post by the_cat_kittles »

stephengillie wrote: post #7
wufufufu wrote: post #5

Amount of people who would truly benefit from microdosing psilocybin: not a lot Amount of people who will share clickbait pop science article and use it to justify a stoner vice: a lot

The high I felt from taking shrooms was the same high I felt from cannabis. Quite a disappointment, after all the build up and great expectations.

lol no. you simply dont know what you are doing

Re: Tiny doses of magic mushrooms can boost your problem-solving skills

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Post by stephengillie »

empath75 wrote: post #19
stephengillie wrote: post #7

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The high I felt from taking shrooms was the same high I felt from cannabis. Quite a disappointment, after all the build up and great expectations.

You either have access to amazing weed or crappy mushrooms.

Why not both?

Re: Tiny doses of magic mushrooms can boost your problem-solving skills

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Post by intopieces »

lucozade wrote: post #21
pinusc wrote: post #10

Link to the full study: https://www.biorxiv.org/content/early/2018/08/08/384412 I have not read it completely yet, but it seems it lacks any sort of blind trial and control group; hence, it fails to account for placebo effect. Given the nature of the experiment, I believe placebo effect could have significantly altered the results.

Yeah, no blinding, no placebo, in the field, small sample size and at a drug related event. At best, this falls into the "quite interesting should probably do a proper follow up" pile. One interesting line from the study. It says "that we did not use a control group (for obvious ethical and practical reasons)". Practical I get, there were only 38 of them in total. But ethical? What are the ethical concerns with not g…

The control, in this case, might be giving people micro doses without telling them.

Re: Tiny doses of magic mushrooms can boost your problem-solving skills

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Post by Broken_Hippo »

stephengillie wrote: post #7
wufufufu wrote: post #5

Amount of people who would truly benefit from microdosing psilocybin: not a lot Amount of people who will share clickbait pop science article and use it to justify a stoner vice: a lot

The high I felt from taking shrooms was the same high I felt from cannabis. Quite a disappointment, after all the build up and great expectations.

That is definitely not typical.

Eating truffles in Amsterdam, for example, leaves me laying on the bed seeing shapes and patterns for a while. I find myself extremely entertaining. A little bit of shrooms leaves me happy with a body buzz and a little lazy. It is more like I'm heavily stoned, enough so that I'm assuming your dose was too low based on your description.

If you are interested, I honestly suggest taking a vacation to a place with some legality (Amsterdam, for example), and eating a package of them. Have a friend with you. Wait a few hours before leaving your hotel room. If the response is different, you'll know it was your dose. If you simply don't actually "trip", you have an atypical response.

Re: Tiny doses of magic mushrooms can boost your problem-solving skills

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Post by benchaney »

intopieces wrote: post #24
lucozade wrote: post #21

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Yeah, no blinding, no placebo, in the field, small sample size and at a drug related event. At best, this falls into the "quite interesting should probably do a proper follow up" pile. One interesting line from the study. It says "that we did not use a control group (for obvious ethical and practical reasons)". Practical I get, there were only 38 of them in total. But ethical? What are the ethical concerns with not g…

The control, in this case, might be giving people micro doses without telling them.

A properly designed experiment would be to tell everyone that you might give them the drug, and actually give it to half of them. The control would be the group of people that did not receive it. GP is right that there is no ethical issue.

Re: Tiny doses of magic mushrooms can boost your problem-solving skills

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Post by mruts »

gepi79 wrote: post #20
mruts wrote: post #15

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I would agree that you probably don't want to do psychedelics when severely depressed. But they can be quite helpful if you feel you're in a "rut" that you feel like you can't get out of.

I am no friend of drugs in general and psychedelics in particular. It might work to get out of a rut but, IMO, the risks (what dosage?) are not worth it. Certainly not without professional assistance (not a shaman). The new rut might be much worse than the old rut. Also: https://www.psychologytoday.com/us/blog/charting-the-depths/... IMO no problem is solved by psychedelics. Unless you sell them to solve your money p…

There are no risks from occasional use of psychedelics. There's tons of evidence (anecdotal and published) that psychedelics can be extremely helpful.

I hate to say this, but I think you can't really speak coherently about psychedelics unless you have personal, first-hand experience.

Re: Tiny doses of magic mushrooms can boost your problem-solving skills

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Post by rubbingalcohol »

mruts wrote: post #13
wufufufu wrote: post #5

Amount of people who would truly benefit from microdosing psilocybin: not a lot Amount of people who will share clickbait pop science article and use it to justify a stoner vice: a lot

Have you tried micro-dosing psilocybin or LSD? Or even regular dosing? I suspect you are speaking from a highly uninformed perspective.

Microdosing is a joke and true drug abuse. Taking a psychedelic drug so you can be a better worker. That's the spiritual equivalent of prostitution.

Re: Tiny doses of magic mushrooms can boost your problem-solving skills

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Post by rubbingalcohol »

eli_gottlieb wrote: post #8

Side-effects may include finding yourself in a gas-station bathroom at dawn, crouched in the fetal position, muttering about "making the world a better place".

When you realize that all the third party tracking scripts you pasted onto your page are _watching you too_.

Re: Tiny doses of magic mushrooms can boost your problem-solving skills

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Post by beatgammit »

rubbingalcohol wrote: post #28
mruts wrote: post #13

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Have you tried micro-dosing psilocybin or LSD? Or even regular dosing? I suspect you are speaking from a highly uninformed perspective.

Microdosing is a joke and true drug abuse. Taking a psychedelic drug so you can be a better worker. That's the spiritual equivalent of prostitution.

How so?

People drink coffee every morning to be more alert at their jobs, and I fail to see how this is different.

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