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Sway: i3-compatible Wayland compositor – 1.0-beta.1 released

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Re: Sway: i3-compatible Wayland compositor – 1.0-beta.1 released

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Post by w0utert »

trulyrandom wrote: post #10
Majestic121 wrote: post #3

"Experimental Nvidia support has been deprecated since its inception, and has now been removed entirely. Please use nouveau and consider future purchases from GPU vendors that support open source. Other proprietary drivers are also unsupported." How is nouveau doing this days compared to the proprietary drivers of NVidia ?

It's not great in terms of performance in games, but it's perfectly usable on the desktop. I've been using sway on nouveau full time for a couple of days now and have had no issues so far.

Except when you are using a Quadro GPU, and nouveau will hard-lock the machine randomly (and has been doing so for at least 4 years)

Re: Sway: i3-compatible Wayland compositor – 1.0-beta.1 released

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Post by roenxi »

sametmax wrote: post #14
Majestic121 wrote: post #3

"Experimental Nvidia support has been deprecated since its inception, and has now been removed entirely. Please use nouveau and consider future purchases from GPU vendors that support open source. Other proprietary drivers are also unsupported." How is nouveau doing this days compared to the proprietary drivers of NVidia ?

Imagine a world where Gnome doesn't support any proprietary card drivers, where VLC can't read non open codecs, where libre office can't open doc* files... Does that seems like a world where FOSS can be successful in ?

Yep. Particularly with hardware makers that strategy has worked remarkably well. Nvidia is actually the only major hardware company I know of (other than Apple who sorta don't count) who doesn't have a good open source driver. That isn't an ideological position, just all the other majors seem to support linux as a first class citizen across all product categories.

There is also a difference between data exchange (codecs, doc*, etc) and drivers. Intransigence by the kernel community regarding closed source code has resulted in Good Things in the driver space.

Re: Sway: i3-compatible Wayland compositor – 1.0-beta.1 released

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Post by trulyrandom »

ratsimihah wrote: post #19
Majestic121 wrote: post #3

"Experimental Nvidia support has been deprecated since its inception, and has now been removed entirely. Please use nouveau and consider future purchases from GPU vendors that support open source. Other proprietary drivers are also unsupported." How is nouveau doing this days compared to the proprietary drivers of NVidia ?

What does that exactly mean for Nvidia GPU users?

It means that you can't use sway (or any other compositor based on wlroots) with the proprietary nvidia driver. Instead, you should use the nouveau driver.

Re: Sway: i3-compatible Wayland compositor – 1.0-beta.1 released

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Post by hannasanarion »

ratsimihah wrote: post #19
Majestic121 wrote: post #3

"Experimental Nvidia support has been deprecated since its inception, and has now been removed entirely. Please use nouveau and consider future purchases from GPU vendors that support open source. Other proprietary drivers are also unsupported." How is nouveau doing this days compared to the proprietary drivers of NVidia ?

What does that exactly mean for Nvidia GPU users?

You have a choice of A: give up the improved performance and features of the proprietary driver to use i3 with wayland, no longer able to take screenshots or use secondary monitors

B: continue using i3 with X

Re: Sway: i3-compatible Wayland compositor – 1.0-beta.1 released

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Post by robin_reala »

rusticpenn wrote: post #6
Majestic121 wrote: post #3

"Experimental Nvidia support has been deprecated since its inception, and has now been removed entirely. Please use nouveau and consider future purchases from GPU vendors that support open source. Other proprietary drivers are also unsupported." How is nouveau doing this days compared to the proprietary drivers of NVidia ?

Yes, IT puts me in a wierd situation as I need nvidia for machine learning related stuff, and I would love to move from i3 to sway...

Can you get a cheap Radeon as a display card?

Re: Sway: i3-compatible Wayland compositor – 1.0-beta.1 released

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Post by sametmax »

roenxi wrote: post #22
sametmax wrote: post #14

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Imagine a world where Gnome doesn't support any proprietary card drivers, where VLC can't read non open codecs, where libre office can't open doc* files... Does that seems like a world where FOSS can be successful in ?

Yep. Particularly with hardware makers that strategy has worked remarkably well. Nvidia is actually the only major hardware company I know of (other than Apple who sorta don't count) who doesn't have a good open source driver. That isn't an ideological position, just all the other majors seem to support linux as a first class citizen across all product categories. There is also a difference between data exchange (cod…

Yet, it seems that the only very popular FOSS projects are the ones playing well with proprietary. Actually the most popular distrib is Ubuntu, precisely because of this.

Re: Sway: i3-compatible Wayland compositor – 1.0-beta.1 released

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Post by santix »

lscotte wrote: post #8
dijit wrote: post #2

I know this is about sway, but I feel I can't pass up this opportunity to profess my undying love for i3. The learning curve is relatively minor for such a slim powerful system I'm truly amazed. I really can't thank the original author(s) enough. RE: Sway, I'm glad they hit this milestone, I have a friend who is using it and he claims it's almost as good, (although he hasn't found a way to do -gaps yet..). Last time…

i3 really is just incredible and simple - and not at all opinionated about what other components you use (statusbar, menu, notification system, screen locker, etc).

And also its documentation is excellent.

Re: Sway: i3-compatible Wayland compositor – 1.0-beta.1 released

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Post by [deleted] »

Sir_Cmpwn wrote: post #16
Majestic121 wrote: post #3

"Experimental Nvidia support has been deprecated since its inception, and has now been removed entirely. Please use nouveau and consider future purchases from GPU vendors that support open source. Other proprietary drivers are also unsupported." How is nouveau doing this days compared to the proprietary drivers of NVidia ?

Sway/wlroots maintainer here. The older the card, the better the support. If you're not gaming and you have a 9xx or older card, you should have pretty decent support for a workstation type of deal. If you get as old as 7xx or 6xx you start to have games getting playable.

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Re: Sway: i3-compatible Wayland compositor – 1.0-beta.1 released

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Post by sevensor »

w0utert wrote: post #21
trulyrandom wrote: post #10

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It's not great in terms of performance in games, but it's perfectly usable on the desktop. I've been using sway on nouveau full time for a couple of days now and have had no issues so far.

Except when you are using a Quadro GPU, and nouveau will hard-lock the machine randomly (and has been doing so for at least 4 years)

This has been my unfortunate experience.

Re: Sway: i3-compatible Wayland compositor – 1.0-beta.1 released

#30

Post by boudin »

sametmax wrote: post #14
Majestic121 wrote: post #3

"Experimental Nvidia support has been deprecated since its inception, and has now been removed entirely. Please use nouveau and consider future purchases from GPU vendors that support open source. Other proprietary drivers are also unsupported." How is nouveau doing this days compared to the proprietary drivers of NVidia ?

Imagine a world where Gnome doesn't support any proprietary card drivers, where VLC can't read non open codecs, where libre office can't open doc* files... Does that seems like a world where FOSS can be successful in ?

The issue isn't as much of proprietary drivers as nvidia not wanting to implement GBM in their drivers as it's supposed to for wayland support and pushing for EGL streams.

It means that people writing wayland compositors have to write a EGL stream version because of a purely one-sided nvidia decision.

EGL Stream support in Mutter (gnome) is supported a bit by Nvidia but that's it.

Between spending time on improving a compositor and the window managers making use of it or spending time to support non standard driver implementation because of one-sided decision from nvidia, it seems to me that the first choice is a smarter one.

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