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Alex Stamos: Asking tech companies to police hate speech is “a dangerous path”

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Re: Alex Stamos: Asking tech companies to police hate speech is “a dangerous path”

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Alex Stamos doesn't realize that the political tides have shifted. The technolibertarianism that has been prevalent in Silicon Valley since at least the 1990s is on its way out. Governments around the world are increasingly asserting their sovereignty, and that's not going to change. The internet is not a wild west where a bunch of tech people are free to do whatever they want, ignoring all the consequences and negat…

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Re: Alex Stamos: Asking tech companies to police hate speech is “a dangerous path”

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Hate is an absolute. If you're not against it, you're supporting it. EDIT: So, I see I've angered the privileged, white, tech-bro, capitalists. Downvote away. Don't dare speak up about how hate is bad here. Got it.

>So, I see I've angered the privileged, white, tech-bro, capitalists.

What? Why are you saying white people specifically are downvoting your opinion? And aren't you manifesting hate towards a group of people with a physical characteristic?

Re: Alex Stamos: Asking tech companies to police hate speech is “a dangerous path”

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This is already going down the path of "what is hate speech". Here is what I think is a pretty simple definition: Speech that explicitly or direct line implicitly dehumanizes anyone. Then the arguments become pretty simple: does a statement dehumanize someone? Does it indicate that they are any less human than another? That's a much easier discussion to have.

Your definition makes no sense. "We should kill people from country X" isn't hate speech by your definition - it doesn't imply anyone is any less human than anyone else.

Re: Alex Stamos: Asking tech companies to police hate speech is “a dangerous path”

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This is already going down the path of "what is hate speech". Here is what I think is a pretty simple definition: Speech that explicitly or direct line implicitly dehumanizes anyone. Then the arguments become pretty simple: does a statement dehumanize someone? Does it indicate that they are any less human than another? That's a much easier discussion to have.

I feel that this comment dehumanized me. Therefore, you must remove it. See the issue?

Re: Alex Stamos: Asking tech companies to police hate speech is “a dangerous path”

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post #12

Earlier quoted context omitted.

>If you're not against it, you're supporting it. I can be 'against' hate speech, but still support someone's right to utter it. Also, whose definition of 'hate speech' are we using?

If you're supporting an attacker's right to denigrate, abuse, or harass other people, you're supporting violating the victim's rights. One of these has a real social cost, and the other is just literal lip-service.

> If you're supporting an attacker's right to denigrate, abuse, or harass other people, you're supporting violating the victim's rights.

Can you diagram how you arrived at this travesty of a logical leap? You're mixing in at least 5 suppositions completely outside of the stated parents post. Ignoring the other foundations coming alongside by implication.

Re: Alex Stamos: Asking tech companies to police hate speech is “a dangerous path”

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post #16

Cockroaches thrive in the dark corners. Sunlight is antiseptic. And forcing ideas/speech into those dark corners don't keep them from growing, it merely allows it to grow unobserved and un-countered. Ideas are the only counter to other ideas and how we communicate those idea is via speech. Suppression only invites martyrdom on the behalf of those suppressed, increasing their credibility.

>Cockroaches thrive in the dark corners

Viruses thrive through exposure to new hosts.

See, you can prove anything using an analogy.

Re: Alex Stamos: Asking tech companies to police hate speech is “a dangerous path”

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Tech companies are using algorithms to prioritize the messages we see, which makes them incredibly valuable as advertising platforms. It seems like Mr. Stamos wants these companies to have all the rewards and none of the complicated responsibilities to match it. If they don't want that responsibility, then they need to get out of the business of sorting and recommending. Let them be like Craigslist.

Re: Alex Stamos: Asking tech companies to police hate speech is “a dangerous path”

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post #16

Cockroaches thrive in the dark corners. Sunlight is antiseptic. And forcing ideas/speech into those dark corners don't keep them from growing, it merely allows it to grow unobserved and un-countered. Ideas are the only counter to other ideas and how we communicate those idea is via speech. Suppression only invites martyrdom on the behalf of those suppressed, increasing their credibility.

There is evidence that deplatforming works (https://motherboard.vice.com/en_us/article/bjbp9d/do-social-...)

Re: Alex Stamos: Asking tech companies to police hate speech is “a dangerous path”

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post #16

Cockroaches thrive in the dark corners. Sunlight is antiseptic. And forcing ideas/speech into those dark corners don't keep them from growing, it merely allows it to grow unobserved and un-countered. Ideas are the only counter to other ideas and how we communicate those idea is via speech. Suppression only invites martyrdom on the behalf of those suppressed, increasing their credibility.

Bleach is a better antiseptic than sunlight.

There's some evidence deplatforming works:

https://motherboard.vice.com/en_us/article/bjbp9d/do-social-...

> “We’ve been running a research project over last year, and when someone relatively famous gets no platformed by Facebook or Twitter or YouTube, there's an initial flashpoint, where some of their audience will move with them” Joan Donovan, Data and Society’s platform accountability research lead, told me on the phone, “but generally the falloff is pretty significant and they don’t gain the same amplification power they had prior to the moment they were taken off these bigger platforms.”

> There’s not a ton of research on this, but the work that has been done so far is promising. A study published by researchers at Georgia Tech last year found that banning the platform's most toxic subreddits resulted in less hate speech elsewhere on the site, and especially from the people who were active on those subreddits.

https://mashable.com/article/milo-yiannopoulos-deplatforming...

Re: Alex Stamos: Asking tech companies to police hate speech is “a dangerous path”

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

Speech isn't "dangerous". You know what you do about people that say stupid things: you call them out on it. The answer to hate speech is more speech.

Do you have evidence for this statement? What if you're wrong? There's evidence that you're wrong. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Paradox_of_tolerance

Calling out something that one could refer to as "hate speech" isn't tolerating the behavior, it is criticizing it.
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