Model 3 Mid Range Battery Available • Hacker News Board

Re: Model 3 Mid Range Battery Available

#21

Post by threeseed » Thu, Oct 18, 2018, 10:26 PM UTC

FireBeyond wrote: post #7

krrrh wrote: post #2

Just in case anyone is wondering how this plays out pricewise, the base model is $46.2k, but they headline the price as $33.2k: Price $45,000 Incentives: -$7,500 Gasoline savings: -$4,300 Price after savings: $33,200 Destination & doc fee: $1,200 It's rather disappointing that for all the talk from Tesla about disrupting the way people buy cars they maintain nonsense practices like adding on destination and doc fees,…

Only in the US would be advertising a sticker price that includes hypothetical "gas savings" be not considered misleading to the consumer. Perhaps if they want to advertise gas savings they should be forced to also add "increased home electricity costs".

That is disgraceful behaviour.

I guess bottled water then should be considered free since it's significantly healthier than drinking any else.

Or maybe my laptop should be considered free since it's used to earn money.

Re: Model 3 Mid Range Battery Available

#22

Post by benatkin » Thu, Oct 18, 2018, 10:27 PM UTC

krrrh wrote: post #2

Just in case anyone is wondering how this plays out pricewise, the base model is $46.2k, but they headline the price as $33.2k: Price $45,000 Incentives: -$7,500 Gasoline savings: -$4,300 Price after savings: $33,200 Destination & doc fee: $1,200 It's rather disappointing that for all the talk from Tesla about disrupting the way people buy cars they maintain nonsense practices like adding on destination and doc fees,…

TCO isn't nonsense.

Because they aren't comparing to the TCO of other automobiles, they have to adjust the sticker price to help buyers consider the TCO.

Re: Model 3 Mid Range Battery Available

#23

Post by threeseed » Thu, Oct 18, 2018, 10:28 PM UTC

zeroxfe wrote: post #17

krrrh wrote: post #2

Just in case anyone is wondering how this plays out pricewise, the base model is $46.2k, but they headline the price as $33.2k: Price $45,000 Incentives: -$7,500 Gasoline savings: -$4,300 Price after savings: $33,200 Destination & doc fee: $1,200 It's rather disappointing that for all the talk from Tesla about disrupting the way people buy cars they maintain nonsense practices like adding on destination and doc fees,…

I kinda get you, but just because there's a bunch of marketing gibberish on the pricing page doesn't mean they aren't being disruptive.

Thank god in most places in the world that kind of disruption is illegal.

Re: Model 3 Mid Range Battery Available

#24

Post by titanomachy » Thu, Oct 18, 2018, 10:28 PM UTC

imladyboy wrote: post #13

FireBeyond wrote: post #7

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Only in the US would be advertising a sticker price that includes hypothetical "gas savings" be not considered misleading to the consumer. Perhaps if they want to advertise gas savings they should be forced to also add "increased home electricity costs".

They do account for electricity costs in the "gas savings": "The average person drives between 10,000 and 15,000 miles and spends between $1,000 and $1,500 on gasoline per year. In comparison, the cost of electricity to power Model 3 over the same distance is up to three times lower. Over the six year average length of car ownership, that's between $4,300 and $6,400 in gasoline savings. We've assumed a fuel economy o…

Numbers are even better in Canada where we have cheap hydro power and tax the shit out of gasoline.

Re: Model 3 Mid Range Battery Available

#25

Post by [deleted] » Thu, Oct 18, 2018, 10:29 PM UTC

elihu wrote: post #9

> Model 3 Mid Range Rear-Wheel Drive $45,000 > Incentives - $10,000 > Gas Savings- $4,300 > Price after Est. Savings $30,700 This is good news, but it's still not the $35,000 model. Also, what's the breakdown on the incentives? I thought the federal rebate was $7500 if they haven't run out of those yet. Are they including state rebates (which presumably aren't the same everywhere)? Including "gas savings" in the pric…

[deleted]

Re: Model 3 Mid Range Battery Available

#26

Post by krrrh » Thu, Oct 18, 2018, 10:30 PM UTC

zeroxfe wrote: post #17

krrrh wrote: post #2

Just in case anyone is wondering how this plays out pricewise, the base model is $46.2k, but they headline the price as $33.2k: Price $45,000 Incentives: -$7,500 Gasoline savings: -$4,300 Price after savings: $33,200 Destination & doc fee: $1,200 It's rather disappointing that for all the talk from Tesla about disrupting the way people buy cars they maintain nonsense practices like adding on destination and doc fees,…

I kinda get you, but just because there's a bunch of marketing gibberish on the pricing page doesn't mean they aren't being disruptive.

I was specifically addressing their claims of disrupting the buying process. Under that criteria, ending price obfuscation (especially the doc fee) should be table stakes. As for the gas savings, it wouldn't be bad at all if they trumpeted the net cost after 5 years and clearly demonstrated the savings, but they lead with a made up price that no one will be paying. Meet the new boss, same as the old boss.

Re: Model 3 Mid Range Battery Available

#27

Post by elihu » Thu, Oct 18, 2018, 10:30 PM UTC

mynameisvlad wrote: post #18

elihu wrote: post #9

> Model 3 Mid Range Rear-Wheel Drive $45,000 > Incentives - $10,000 > Gas Savings- $4,300 > Price after Est. Savings $30,700 This is good news, but it's still not the $35,000 model. Also, what's the breakdown on the incentives? I thought the federal rebate was $7500 if they haven't run out of those yet. Are they including state rebates (which presumably aren't the same everywhere)? Including "gas savings" in the pric…

Yes, they likely are. I only see $7500 as my incentives line. You can click "Learn more" in the Federal Tax Credit blurb to get more info on the incentives, it might include state information. I assume the 35000 model is the "Standard Battery available in 4-6 months" that's below the options.

You're right, they're including a $2,500 California rebate.

Re: Model 3 Mid Range Battery Available

#28

Post by ruytlm » Thu, Oct 18, 2018, 10:30 PM UTC

SEJeff wrote: post #4

This is mostly the end game of Elon's Tesla Master plan: https://solartribune.com/master-plan/

Regarding one of the last points in that, I continue to be baffled by Elon/Tesla's focus on shared personal vehicles, instead of public transport.

Re: Model 3 Mid Range Battery Available

#29

Post by teej » Thu, Oct 18, 2018, 10:30 PM UTC

imladyboy wrote: post #8

It also appears they have removed the option for purchasing the "Full Self Driving" functionality.

This is really interesting, I can't seem to find any reporting that has picked this detail up yet.

Re: Model 3 Mid Range Battery Available

#30

Post by newuser12344 » Thu, Oct 18, 2018, 10:31 PM UTC

elihu wrote: post #9

> Model 3 Mid Range Rear-Wheel Drive $45,000 > Incentives - $10,000 > Gas Savings- $4,300 > Price after Est. Savings $30,700 This is good news, but it's still not the $35,000 model. Also, what's the breakdown on the incentives? I thought the federal rebate was $7500 if they haven't run out of those yet. Are they including state rebates (which presumably aren't the same everywhere)? Including "gas savings" in the pric…

Just to provide an alternate perspective: I would rather pay a million dollars for an electric car from Tesla than continue to enrich all the vile oil barons of the world.