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Bahnhof’s 10 Gbit/s router for home use – the fastest on the market

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Re: Bahnhof’s 10 Gbit/s router for home use – the fastest on the market

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Salt[1] in Switzerland has been offering 10Gbps FTTH for half a year. Maybe Bahnhof's router is better, but it's certainly not the first. [1] https://fiber.salt.ch/en/

This is ridiculous. And in Vienna the max you can get over fiber is 300/30 for twice the price of that.

Wellington, New Zealand, 1 Gbit / sec, unlimited, 65 USD / month

Re: Bahnhof’s 10 Gbit/s router for home use – the fastest on the market

#22

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It's not true 10Gbit. It's only 10Gbit to some pole and then it is shared. Besides their customer service is horrendous.

> It's not true 10Gbit. It's only 10Gbit to some pole and then it is shared. As opposed to a dedicated direct 10 gigabit line to every other internet device? Everything is always shared unless you request a dedicated circuit between a given set of points. Sometimes the over subscription ratio is just shit, which is a real thing to complain about.

In Switzerland other fiber providers (such as Init7) have a dedicated physical fiber strand to your premises and a dedicated 1Gbit port on the other side.

Salt uses 10G-PON, which as I understand it splits a single 10Gbit port. Salt's configured to split it 64 ways.

It's possible other providers are oversubscribed upstream but I haven't personally experienced any congestion issues with Init7, even over long distances (e.g. Zurich to Fremont, CA).

Re: Bahnhof’s 10 Gbit/s router for home use – the fastest on the market

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post #4

Coax needs to die.

Coax is a fuck-ton better than telephone cables. Optics for the win, but as long as old cabling is all we got, I'd sure as hell prefer coax over telephone wiring.

UTP is fine for 10gig, and in fact it has much longer reach, 55m-100m depending on cable quality, compared to twinaxial which is only defined by the standards to 15m. Twinax is also bulkier and costs more.

Coax isn't defined for 10g, so it's basically worthless. Certainly not "a fuckton better" since there are literally no coax physical modules for 10g.

Re: Bahnhof’s 10 Gbit/s router for home use – the fastest on the market

#24

Salt[1] in Switzerland has been offering 10Gbps FTTH for half a year. Maybe Bahnhof's router is better, but it's certainly not the first. [1] https://fiber.salt.ch/en/

This is ridiculous. And in Vienna the max you can get over fiber is 300/30 for twice the price of that.

Australia: where the govt spends $40bn on broadband infrastructure and we still only get 100/40 unlimited for $79 (with an ISP with decent peering; you can get it cheaper but nooooo)

(you can get 250/100 but that caps you at 3TB and costs $250/mo)

EDIT: scratch that, it’s up to $51bn

Re: Bahnhof’s 10 Gbit/s router for home use – the fastest on the market

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post #14

Salt[1] in Switzerland has been offering 10Gbps FTTH for half a year. Maybe Bahnhof's router is better, but it's certainly not the first. [1] https://fiber.salt.ch/en/

The thing about this 10Gbps Salt Fiber Deal is that it's only available in very few places. I have 1Gbps Fiber Internet via Swisscom[0] at my Residence, but Salt Fiber is apparently not availible to me, even though the Fiber Infrastructure is shared between all Internet Providers. [0] 80.- per Month

The last mile infrastructure is shared but the ISP still needs equipment nearby. Have a look at Init7's map for an example of how many you need to cover a good chunk of Switzerland: https://www.init7.net/de/infrastruktur/fiber7-pops/

Re: Bahnhof’s 10 Gbit/s router for home use – the fastest on the market

#27
post #7

>so we assigned Huawei with producing a totally unique router for our superbroadband-service that we could place on the market. no thank you

I have absolutely zero trust in Huawei as a company.

First of all, they're in bed with the Chinese government. Second, they have a track record of lying, shoddy marketing and just absolute abhorrent mentality towards IP.

I would never ever think about buying a Huawei product, especially for something critical as a router. I don't know about their privacy stance but I have no expectations.

Re: Bahnhof’s 10 Gbit/s router for home use – the fastest on the market

#28

I have AT&T gigabit fiber, and two problems arise getting the theoretical 1000Mbps speeds. First is the AT&T provided router performance is terrible, swap it out. I went with a Ubiquiti EdgeRouter X. However unless you enable hardware offloading[1], the EdgeRouter maxes out at around 300Mbps. I can't speak to this new router, but typically devices that can truly push 10Gbit/s are very expensive and enterprise. Second…

You should be able to route 10gbps with a whitebox PC containing a recent intel Core CPU (say, 5th gen or later) and a decent NIC such as Intel X540 or similar.

Re: Bahnhof’s 10 Gbit/s router for home use – the fastest on the market

#29
I have Bahnhof 100/100 at the moment. Effectivly (through wi-fi/AirPort) on a lucky day I get like 50% out of it on average.

This offer is 1000% increase in capacity for a 20% price increase and changing router? Seems too good to be true and stupid if not upgrading. But I suspect it’s only full capacity at like one place in Stockholm.

Bit strange that they choose to partner with Huawei. Doesnt feel Bahnhof especially after resent hardware stories. But I guess its a long process...

*edit: better phrasing

Re: Bahnhof’s 10 Gbit/s router for home use – the fastest on the market

#30
post #23

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Coax is a fuck-ton better than telephone cables. Optics for the win, but as long as old cabling is all we got, I'd sure as hell prefer coax over telephone wiring.

UTP is fine for 10gig, and in fact it has much longer reach, 55m-100m depending on cable quality, compared to twinaxial which is only defined by the standards to 15m. Twinax is also bulkier and costs more. Coax isn't defined for 10g, so it's basically worthless. Certainly not "a fuckton better" since there are literally no coax physical modules for 10g.

UTP != ‘telephone cables’. Comparing in ground neighborhood wiring to spec’d Ethernet cabling is like comparing apples to steak.
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