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Tech Workers Now Want to Know: What Are We Building This For?

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Re: Tech Workers Now Want to Know: What Are We Building This For?

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For money, my dear, for money. Is there any other reason for a company to exist? The stuff like "do no evil" or "we are green" is just a smoke screen. At the end they will do everything for money.

I was under the impression that pre 20th century companies just existed as a legal and organizational convenience in order to help collect a number of people with similar goals rather than to solely make a profit.

The East India Company (amongst many others) did heinous stuff solely to make a profit.

If anything, the drive for profit is a little less now.

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I think people should do what they want and I find these articles meaningless. Don't like your company's values? Great, find another job. It's as simple as that.

Let's not shame people for wanting to stick with a company. Everyone has their reasons to stay whether it's money, values, working environment, co-workers or personal reasons. If you really cared, shouldn't you try to change the company from within? Isn't that the best place to start?

Re: Tech Workers Now Want to Know: What Are We Building This For?

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For money, my dear, for money. Is there any other reason for a company to exist? The stuff like "do no evil" or "we are green" is just a smoke screen. At the end they will do everything for money.

Say I have an idea for how I want the world to be. I don't care about money at all, but my vision is too big to execute by myself. How do I get people to help me without forming a company?

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post #14

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The current obsession that companies exist solely for making money for shareholders is an historical aberration. If that's still the common view in a hundred years or so, it will carry more weight.

> The current obsession that companies exist solely for making money for shareholders Making money for shareholders is an instrument to secure long term/regular investment. It's not the "end goal", and almost no company's mission is "to make money". Money is just the blood stream that enables everything else.

> It's not the "end goal", and almost no company's mission is "to make money".

Sure seems that way, when every decision is optimized towards making money short-term. I think the more correct model of most companies would be money-focused entities that through path dependence ended up in the market sector they're in. That is, the actual thing they're doing is an artifact of history and is abstracted away for actual operations.

Re: Tech Workers Now Want to Know: What Are We Building This For?

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post #5

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I was under the impression that pre 20th century companies just existed as a legal and organizational convenience in order to help collect a number of people with similar goals rather than to solely make a profit.

The East India Company (amongst many others) did heinous stuff solely to make a profit. If anything, the drive for profit is a little less now.

I'm not sure the drive is less so much as PR is a thing, better regulation is a thing and the internet makes corporations misdeeds much more transparent.

This is one of the reasons among many I regard the decline in proper journalism as so worrying.

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For money, my dear, for money. Is there any other reason for a company to exist? The stuff like "do no evil" or "we are green" is just a smoke screen. At the end they will do everything for money.

Personally, it should not negatively impact lives. For example, I can't see myself saying "I will take this job for the money, and the gun I help engineered is used to kill humans during combat".

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That has been the answer for last era. I think that’s why tech workers are starting to ask what we’re building it for. Because we’re here at this point because building “for money” is no longer good enough. Because what’s the point of having money when we’re cancer ridden and polluting our planet, and despite living in a rich planet people are starving, and the very resources that feed us are being destroyed. What’s…

Sounds like an opportunity for someone to build the tech to cure cancer and filter pollution.

Cure for cancer involves molecular biology and filtering pollution involves heterogeneous catalysis. Where does programming come into play in any direct way to these solutions? I understand that tech is involved indirectly, but so is the coffee that is served in laboratories to keep scientists working.

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Every person, tech or not, should evaluate what their work is contributing to and they should evaluate if they can ethically and morally accept what the company is doing or standing for.

In the end, I have to be able to look myself in the mirror and be accountable for my actions, even if that would mean to forego money, prestige, etc.

Re: Tech Workers Now Want to Know: What Are We Building This For?

#29
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Because you can’t get a raise - the big companies pay the most money.

Not necessarily true. There are some series A/B startups that offer extremely competitive salaries and stock options for top talent. And also, I think he/she means if you can't get behind what Facebook is doing, maybe jump to Apple who "supposedly" have security and privacy as their top priorities and in the mean time receive a raise.

Indeed - you can jump to another big company.

Re: Tech Workers Now Want to Know: What Are We Building This For?

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post #14

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The current obsession that companies exist solely for making money for shareholders is an historical aberration. If that's still the common view in a hundred years or so, it will carry more weight.

> The current obsession that companies exist solely for making money for shareholders Making money for shareholders is an instrument to secure long term/regular investment. It's not the "end goal", and almost no company's mission is "to make money". Money is just the blood stream that enables everything else.

Yet there is a common belief that companies are legally obliged to make enriching shareholders their only priority.
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