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Re: Product Updates Based on Your Feedback

#21
This is not attempting to fit user needs, this is an attempt to put out a PR fire and salvage quarterly earnings.

I'm still leaving, maybe even more-so because of the false heartfelt "ok let's do it your way". I will not be patronized, we're not on the same team anymore.

Re: Product Updates Based on Your Feedback

#22
post #9

I have no doubt this is a direct result of the feedback in the hacker news thread. Googlers read our comments and take them seriously when there is true merit. Keep making noise folks, it matters.

Agreed. Now: does Mozilla read these?

I tried to switch to Firefox, but was stymied by a bug where Firefox consumes 100%+ CPU on MacBook Pro Retinas.

Firefox is basically unusable with this bug; Facebook takes forever to load, and even Reddit r/firefox shows "A webpage is slowing down your browser" bar at the top.

Active relevant bugs are here: https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=1404042 https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=1429522

But apparently this has been going on for 2+ years and Mozilla hasn't been able to fix it.

Given rMBPs (I would think) would be a fairly large market share of people who work at Mozilla or use Firefox, it's both concerning and surprising that a bug of this proportion has gone on so long.

Edit: Jeff from Mozilla has reached out. I sent him a perf log and a screenshot. Tracking here: https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=1494186

Re: Product Updates Based on Your Feedback

#23
Everyone seems to be arguing the utilitarian merit of this feature, but I just don't like what it signals for Google's approach to the web.

They're building in features that integrate their browser into their web pages.

As far as I'm aware no other major browser holder has done anything of that sort, but I'm probably missing some examples.

Re: Product Updates Based on Your Feedback

#24

This is not attempting to fit user needs, this is an attempt to put out a PR fire and salvage quarterly earnings. I'm still leaving, maybe even more-so because of the false heartfelt "ok let's do it your way". I will not be patronized, we're not on the same team anymore.

I don't understand, the piece looks like it promises to address all the problems highlighted in the past few days in Chrome 70. Why are you saying it is a PR piece?

Re: Product Updates Based on Your Feedback

#25

This is not attempting to fit user needs, this is an attempt to put out a PR fire and salvage quarterly earnings. I'm still leaving, maybe even more-so because of the false heartfelt "ok let's do it your way". I will not be patronized, we're not on the same team anymore.

Adam Smith:

"It is not from the benevolence (kindness) of the butcher, the brewer, or the baker that we expect our dinner, but from their regard to their own interest."

Regardless of motivation (which is ultimately unknowable), is the tangible response from Google adequate?

Re: Product Updates Based on Your Feedback

#26
post #9

I have no doubt this is a direct result of the feedback in the hacker news thread. Googlers read our comments and take them seriously when there is true merit. Keep making noise folks, it matters.

This was the last push I needed to totally switch to Firefox. U2F works and I'm using containers which makes me happy.

Re: Product Updates Based on Your Feedback

#28
for me, the latest issue was just the straw that broke the camel's back. I switched to FF + DDG + Protonmail because I don't like the idea of a Google web.

- Search

- Analytics

- Email

- Storage

- Android tracking

- Online video

- Chrome which is now becoming a portal to the GoogleWeb

I don't want any company to control this much of what I do online as a matter of principle.

At this point they're a victim of their own success.

Re: Product Updates Based on Your Feedback

#29

This is not attempting to fit user needs, this is an attempt to put out a PR fire and salvage quarterly earnings. I'm still leaving, maybe even more-so because of the false heartfelt "ok let's do it your way". I will not be patronized, we're not on the same team anymore.

I don't understand, the piece looks like it promises to address all the problems highlighted in the past few days in Chrome 70. Why are you saying it is a PR piece?

Because the feature is ON by default. Naive users will not know to turn it off. That doesn't mean they don't care about privacy.

Re: Product Updates Based on Your Feedback

#30
Unfortunately, Chrome 70 is also when `www` subdomain is slated to get re-hidden, and when web audio breaking changes are slated to get re-introduced.

There's just too much to keep up with at this point.

I'm happy about this change, it's a big move in the right direction. But it doesn't give me any confidence for the future. It's crazy that users have to do this every single release. It can't continue like this.

I have no idea anymore what it would take to get me to switch back to Chrome or to start recommending it to friends and family. I feel like Google is actively training technical communities to distrust them. It's going to turn into some kind of Pavlovian response.

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