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Apple now strives to design and build products that last as long as possible

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Re: Apple now strives to design and build products that last as long as possible

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Real talk here : what makes an iPhone slow after 2 years?

- the battery aging?

- the apps using more ressources than before?

- the newer OS version using more ressources than before?

I've started using my old Android phone again after it being unused 3 years (Nexus 4), the apps are extremely slow now, the camera takes forever to open : what's going on? Computers don't age as much

Re: Apple now strives to design and build products that last as long as possible

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You know what helps products last longer and reduces waste at the same time? Repairability . The repairability of apple products is so poor that even Apple can't fix most of their own products without replacing surprisingly large portions of any given Apple device. End user repairability has been utterly neglected. Disassembly is frequently impossible without causing damage, and components such as batteries are frequ…

>Hey, it's great that they managed to get iOS 12 to run on a 5S. It probably runs like an absolute dog, but it runs! People are actually reporting that iOS 12 runs faster than iOS 11.

Yes but iOS 11 was really slow.

Does it run faster than iOS 6?

Re: Apple now strives to design and build products that last as long as possible

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post #21

Real talk here : what makes an iPhone slow after 2 years? - the battery aging? - the apps using more ressources than before? - the newer OS version using more ressources than before? I've started using my old Android phone again after it being unused 3 years (Nexus 4), the apps are extremely slow now, the camera takes forever to open : what's going on? Computers don't age as much

Of course you're missing out one option - perhaps they actually aren't actually that much slower, but you're just used to newer stuff being much faster. The definition of slow changes.

Re: Apple now strives to design and build products that last as long as possible

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Tell that to my iPad 3, which got unusable just after one major iOS upgrade. So I'm a bit skeptical.

On the other hand, the iPad 4 has been supported for 5 years and the newer devices are still supported. So their current direction seems to be supporting the statements made in this talk.

Re: Apple now strives to design and build products that last as long as possible

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> After a long life of use, ensure that they are recycled properly. Anyone ever read about Apple's must-shred agreement[0] with recyclers? Is that what "properly" refers to here? > Ensure that Apple products last as long as possible. Anyone read about Apple's recent lawsuit[1] for planned obsolescence in iPhones? [0]: https://motherboard.vice.com/en_us/article/yp73jw/apple-recy... [1]: https://www.commondreams.org/ne…

The original iPad also had OS updates discontinued incredibly quickly.

When Apple no longer supports a device, the boot loafers should be unlocked so they can be reflagged. This should be a requirement for all hardware.

Re: Apple now strives to design and build products that last as long as possible

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post #21

Real talk here : what makes an iPhone slow after 2 years? - the battery aging? - the apps using more ressources than before? - the newer OS version using more ressources than before? I've started using my old Android phone again after it being unused 3 years (Nexus 4), the apps are extremely slow now, the camera takes forever to open : what's going on? Computers don't age as much

Battery throttling, slow flash? Be hard to say without historical benchmarks.

Re: Apple now strives to design and build products that last as long as possible

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Tell that to my iPad 3, which got unusable just after one major iOS upgrade. So I'm a bit skeptical.

There were a few "bad Apples" in the iOS lineup, the iPad 1 and 3 and the iPhone 4 were a bit underpowered the day they launched and didn't fare well on iOS 7 (or even 6...).

Re: Apple now strives to design and build products that last as long as possible

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Has the iPhone screen durability improved at all? It seems like they are (or were?) extremely susceptible to damage from dropping and I always took that as a sign that Apple wanted to force people to upgrade.

Edit: Here's a link discussing the issue: https://www.fastcompany.com/3063238/why-wont-apple-fix-the-i...

Re: Apple now strives to design and build products that last as long as possible

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post #21

Real talk here : what makes an iPhone slow after 2 years? - the battery aging? - the apps using more ressources than before? - the newer OS version using more ressources than before? I've started using my old Android phone again after it being unused 3 years (Nexus 4), the apps are extremely slow now, the camera takes forever to open : what's going on? Computers don't age as much

Of course you're missing out one option - perhaps they actually aren't actually that much slower, but you're just used to newer stuff being much faster. The definition of slow changes.

This is clearly not the case: the C64 could respond to input faster than the a few-year-old iPhone.

Re: Apple now strives to design and build products that last as long as possible

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

>Hey, it's great that they managed to get iOS 12 to run on a 5S. It probably runs like an absolute dog, but it runs! People are actually reporting that iOS 12 runs faster than iOS 11.

Yes but iOS 11 was really slow. Does it run faster than iOS 6?

That is an incredibly unfair and ignorant question.

No, of course not, there are more, compute heavy, features and it's not worth it to spend huge amounts of time to support a phone you're no longer selling.

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