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Re: Isochronous Curves

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Is this off the back of a video of a 1970s Open University style presenter showing the properties of isochromus curves - i loved watching it and realised that these are national treasures of programs - and also was quite stunned by the assumption one would have a round empty tobacco tin lying around to do the experiment with - times do chnage :-)

I suspect it is... It turned up in my YouTube suggestions yesterday. Here's a link: https://youtu.be/eBc827pwKf0

This literally showed up in my yt feed an hour ago...

Re: Isochronous Curves

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The same term has been adopted in transportation planning, for the curves of equal commute time to a job location, etc. Google has an incredible amount of data about this, but I don't know that it has been made available in any usable form.

Re: Isochronous Curves

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Applications?

This is a toy application of the calculus of variations, which is the mathematical theory behind the equilibrium of continuous structures and many other things. How can you build the strongest bridge with a given amount of material? A similar computation to that of isochronous curves gives you the answer.

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Variation calculus is a great lens through which to look at many physics and CS problems. It is IMO under-taught and under-utilized, especially in the machine learning discipline. The framework is basically minimization in functional space (as opposed to R^n or a subset thereof, the more common case). The (to me) surprising thing is that finding an extremum in functional space (i.e. infinite-dimensional space) can be…

I studied computer vision in grad school when these were some of the state of the art methods, like the Mumford-Shah segmentation model and various inpainting models that set up the problem basically as a calculus of variations problem over the appropriate Sobolev space of image intensity functions and/or discontinuity-permitting boundary functions.

I’ve worked as a practitioner in computer vision as well and I think I disagree with your “under taught” comment.

In practice, the variational methods are not competitive at all with deep learning models, and even very naive transfer learning can apply better inpainting or segmentation than the older variational methods.

It is already merely a footnote in the history of computer vision. In 10 years it won’t even merit being part of literature reviews.

So for many applied domains of ML, I think spending roughly zero time on these variational methods in schooling is a good idea. You can always come back to them later, but you probably won’t need to.

A different application domain, variational Bayesian inference, might be a case where there is more reason to care. Although, things like ADVI are more about one very fixed approach to the problem (minimizing KL divergence to find a best approximating distribution from a class with known differentiability properties), and only in novel research would knowledge of general variational techniques give much value.

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

I think we three are in the same Google Bubble as I've just finished watching that glorious Open University video. If the algorithm wills it, I think it means we have to be best friends! Seriously though, I would be weirdly fascinated to see what else you guys subscribe to and if there are any correlations to my subscriptions. I find this channelling people into little boxes fascinating, and those curves are also ver…

Perhaps I should join this cadre as well. The all knowing algorithm has chosen me for the same purpose. It would be interesting to me to know how many stories in HN trend simply because a group of people were all recommended the same content.

I can't remember another particular instance, but there have been several times where something interesting linked on HN will have another piece of interesting content related to it which will then also be posted here.

It is kind of uncanny that we all have seen this particular video in our recommendations recently. It makes me want to try and create a graph of the connections between all the links.

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post #22

The same term has been adopted in transportation planning, for the curves of equal commute time to a job location, etc. Google has an incredible amount of data about this, but I don't know that it has been made available in any usable form.

Google offers it on a bilateral basis for cash. Resources of http://iso4app.net are great and prices are ok.

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

It's funny how different backgrounds bring you to having different ideas of what is easy and hard. As a mathematician, to me the easy problem is finding the minimum of the functional (where "easy" means "we can at least try", certainly not "trivial"; some minimum problems are actually relatively easy, some others are very difficult and open), while proving existence of PDEs is exactly why calculus of variations (and…

I didn't mean to imply that PDE's were an easy problem. They clearly aren't, especially when it comes to proving some sort of formal property about them (which is something a mathematician would worry about, but which is rarely an engineer's first concern: they'd only worry about that type of thing when numerical integration starts producing "crazy" results). However, there is a very intuitive way to compute an appro…

That's exactly why I say that different viewpoints give different concept of easiness. To me there are a lot of way to find minima (or, at least, critical points) of a functional: the direct method in CV, mountain pass theorems, etc. Most of them just need to know very general information about your space and functional and are actually even simple to visualize.

Re: Isochronous Curves

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Is this off the back of a video of a 1970s Open University style presenter showing the properties of isochromus curves - i loved watching it and realised that these are national treasures of programs - and also was quite stunned by the assumption one would have a round empty tobacco tin lying around to do the experiment with - times do chnage :-)

I suspect it is... It turned up in my YouTube suggestions yesterday. Here's a link: https://youtu.be/eBc827pwKf0

Wow, this is the first time I've become aware of other individuals in the same bubble. The video appeared in my recommended list yesterday.

Re: Isochronous Curves

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

I suspect it is... It turned up in my YouTube suggestions yesterday. Here's a link: https://youtu.be/eBc827pwKf0

I think we three are in the same Google Bubble as I've just finished watching that glorious Open University video. If the algorithm wills it, I think it means we have to be best friends! Seriously though, I would be weirdly fascinated to see what else you guys subscribe to and if there are any correlations to my subscriptions. I find this channelling people into little boxes fascinating, and those curves are also ver…

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