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Dan Ariely Tries to Fix Email (2017)

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Re: Dan Ariely Tries to Fix Email (2017)

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(I'm the PM on Gmail for intelligence and filtering) Based on Dan's research we built a new gmail feature: high priority notifications. It only sends you a push notification for really important messages, cuts out over 90% of Gmail notifications for most users. https://www.google.com/amp/s/mashable.com/2018/06/15/gmail-a... Importance is defined by a model trained on reply rate and a few other engagement metrics. Edi…

Hi prlambert! Could I run a few Gmail bugs/feature improvements by you so you could run them by someone if appropriate? I've struggled to find a way to contact the Gmail team.

- Say you have a thread with 1 important+read email from weeks ago, and 1 unimportant+unread email received just now. There is a bug in Gmail conversation view in that it will neither appear in the "unread" section nor in the "important" section. The entire conversation is deemed important, so it's categorized into the "important" section rather than the "unread" section, but the conversation doesn't appear at the top of the section because the new email isn't important; the conversation date is grabbed from the earlier message, which is pushed way off the page since that message was from a long time ago. The end result is the user sees a baffling "Inbox (1)" without seeing any unread emails on the inbox page. Which is at least noticeable if you're the kind of person who regularly has "Inbox (1)", but if you're the kind who has "Inbox (5198)" then there's no way you're ever going to notice that email.

- Sometimes I deem an email important, but I don't want it cluttering up the Important section after I've handled it. But marking it as not-important would send the wrong feedback. I feel like this might not be an uncommon use case. Do you guys have any plans to address it?

- There's no way to keep an email marked as "spam" while still moving it out so as to save a copy. It will automatically get marked as "not spam". Could you guys please have a way to look into this?

- Related to spam but unrelated to importance: There is a bug where, if you have a filter to "never mark as spam", it will also apply the Inbox label. This breaks other filters that "archive" that same email.

- Unrelated to importance & spam, but in the new version of classic Gmail (I'm NOT referring to the new Gmail here) changing conversation view reloads all of Gmail. This wasn't the case before. Any chance they could fix this? It would be awesome if they could also provide a way to change email importance per-message rather than per-conversation.

- Also unrelated, but while I'm here: any chance you guys could add a "send-now" button for Undo Send? It makes life easier for the few occasions when you really want to send a response immediately rather than in 30 seconds.

Thank you!

Re: Dan Ariely Tries to Fix Email (2017)

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I might be a minority, but I actually like this feature, as it has saved my ass a few times already in terms of replying to emails from my boss / boss's boss, so I'd vote to have it be optional rather than have Gmail remove it. (Edit: it looks like you CAN turn it off in the settings.)

I actually would assume the usage stats would be very good on the feature. I am not sure if you can turn it off on the web, I will look again. Unfortunately it is a bit of a Pandora's box situation; just knowing it is happening is the problem. That said, out of sight, out of mind. As much as I like to think I'm driven by principle, I haven't stopped using Gmail yet.

You can disable Smart Reply from the mobile apps, the setting isn't there on Web yet. Honestly we just haven't prioritized it yet.

Here's some info on how it works if it helps address your concern: We've transformed the language generation problem into a labelling problem. From a systems point of view it's not any different from spam filtering, or tabbed inbox, and we use the exact same features. Smart Reply uses a whitelist of around 30k independently generated & sanitized phrases. You could think of each whitelist entry as a label. So when an email comes in on the delivery pipeline we just label things, like we've always done. We label (spam/not-spam) for spam filtering, we label (promo/social/update/forum) for tabbed inbox, and we label (Thanks!/Sounds good!/etc/etc) for smart reply.

Re: Dan Ariely Tries to Fix Email (2017)

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(I'm the PM on Gmail for intelligence and filtering) Based on Dan's research we built a new gmail feature: high priority notifications. It only sends you a push notification for really important messages, cuts out over 90% of Gmail notifications for most users. https://www.google.com/amp/s/mashable.com/2018/06/15/gmail-a... Importance is defined by a model trained on reply rate and a few other engagement metrics. Edi…

Hi prlambert! Could I run a few Gmail bugs/feature improvements by you so you could run them by someone if appropriate? I've struggled to find a way to contact the Gmail team. - Say you have a thread with 1 important+read email from weeks ago, and 1 unimportant+unread email received just now. There is a bug in Gmail conversation view in that it will neither appear in the "unread" section nor in the "important" sectio…

> send-now" button for Undo Send?

Where would you put that button? right next to the Undo Send link? Where, in the rare panic to Undo Send... it might be hit accidentally?

Re: Dan Ariely Tries to Fix Email (2017)

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post #23

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Hi prlambert! Could I run a few Gmail bugs/feature improvements by you so you could run them by someone if appropriate? I've struggled to find a way to contact the Gmail team. - Say you have a thread with 1 important+read email from weeks ago, and 1 unimportant+unread email received just now. There is a bug in Gmail conversation view in that it will neither appear in the "unread" section nor in the "important" sectio…

> send-now" button for Undo Send? Where would you put that button? right next to the Undo Send link? Where, in the rare panic to Undo Send... it might be hit accidentally?

> Where would you put that button? right next to the Undo Send link? Where, in the rare panic to Undo Send... it might be hit accidentally?

"View Message" has already had this effect of preventing undoing, and it's been sitting next to "Undo" for the longest time. So yes, it could be there. Heck, View Message itself should probably just send the email immediately, since delaying after it's clicked is pointless. But in any case, I don't particularly care where the option is; I'm sure UI designers can come up with something. It could be in a drop-down somewhere or whatever and it would still be great.

Re: Dan Ariely Tries to Fix Email (2017)

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The major problem with email is that computers scale wildly different than people do. If one were to print out all one’s new emails and put them in an old style physical inbox it would immediately be apparent how ludicrous the situation is.

I wouldn’t be surprised if the relatively higher cost of paper office memos actually increased organizational efficiency by limiting junk and noise.

Re: Dan Ariely Tries to Fix Email (2017)

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FWIW, I do this in Mac's Mail.app by assigning different colors of flags, and sorting my inbox by flags, then received date. This allows me to have business actionables on top, then personal actionables, then unfiled bills, then new incoming messages.

Ah interesting - I should try this! I'm a huge fan of Mail.app, but my biggest frustration is that the colored flags don't carry to my iPhone (the latter of which only has one color flag in the Mail app.) My other response is that I'm big on stack-ranking tasks / priorities, so your flow would be great for personal stuff, but not best for what I need for work.

Have you tried multiple inboxes in gmail? You can create custom sections for specific labels and then sort your incoming mail into them (using keyboard shortcuts this can be really quick). For example you can have inbox sections: Starred P1 P2 P3 Inbox (new/untriaged)

You can also use 'super stars' to accomplish multiple priority states within starring.

Here's an example of a real power user: https://medium.com/@gregsramblings/how-i-tamed-gmail-at-work...

Re: Dan Ariely Tries to Fix Email (2017)

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Is email even broken? Seems fine to me. I'd love to use it more, actually, over the abomination that is Slack and constant notifications and distractions.

Also, it will never be focused on your needs if it's free. Just pay the damn five bucks a month for fastmail or protonmail, etc. Or roll your own server. You'll get a nice clean interface and nobody shoving crap like AMP for email (aka embrace, extend, extinguish) down your throat. In my experience the spam filtering on fastmail has been just as good as gmail.

And notifications are the devil. Does anyone else get a little angry when they see ANY icon with some dumb pip with a 99+ next to it? Or any number? I'll check it when I'm good and ready. Maybe I should get a physical mailbox that starts screaming at me every time the mail comes too.

I have a telephone for notifications and they're activated by people calling me (or text/signal/whatsapp, but I can mute those as I desire). They know to do it if it's important. Anything else can be async. Life is frenetic enough.

I realize I may be a curmudgeon.

Re: Dan Ariely Tries to Fix Email (2017)

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(I'm the PM on Gmail for intelligence and filtering) Based on Dan's research we built a new gmail feature: high priority notifications. It only sends you a push notification for really important messages, cuts out over 90% of Gmail notifications for most users. https://www.google.com/amp/s/mashable.com/2018/06/15/gmail-a... Importance is defined by a model trained on reply rate and a few other engagement metrics. Edi…

Hi prlambert! Could I run a few Gmail bugs/feature improvements by you so you could run them by someone if appropriate? I've struggled to find a way to contact the Gmail team. - Say you have a thread with 1 important+read email from weeks ago, and 1 unimportant+unread email received just now. There is a bug in Gmail conversation view in that it will neither appear in the "unread" section nor in the "important" sectio…

Thanks for all the feedback! I can address of few of these.

1. Threads should be sorted by date of most recent email, regardless of importance. This sounds like a real bug and I'll dig into it.

2. Yes, great feedback. You could archive it, does that work?

3. What's the use case? Why do you want to keep spam? You could forward it to yourself and it should work (a bit hacky, i admit)

The last 3 are all not going to happen for a number of hard reasons, unfortunately.

Re: Dan Ariely Tries to Fix Email (2017)

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

Hi prlambert! Could I run a few Gmail bugs/feature improvements by you so you could run them by someone if appropriate? I've struggled to find a way to contact the Gmail team. - Say you have a thread with 1 important+read email from weeks ago, and 1 unimportant+unread email received just now. There is a bug in Gmail conversation view in that it will neither appear in the "unread" section nor in the "important" sectio…

Thanks for all the feedback! I can address of few of these. 1. Threads should be sorted by date of most recent email, regardless of importance. This sounds like a real bug and I'll dig into it. 2. Yes, great feedback. You could archive it, does that work? 3. What's the use case? Why do you want to keep spam? You could forward it to yourself and it should work (a bit hacky, i admit) The last 3 are all not going to hap…

Thanks for the reply!

1. Thanks! Let me know if you need additional info or can't repro, the last time this happened to me was a while ago (doesn't happen often since it requires subsequent emails to be far apart in time and categorized with different importance). EDIT: I just repro'd it again. The conversation ordering under the Important section is definitely based on the date of the last Important message rather than the date of the last message, so the conversation will fall out of the screen if the last important message in that conversation was a long time ago.

2. I use archiving for emails that I want records of, but that I don't want cluttering my inbox or appearing on my screen at all, unfortunately (like notifications about some activity on other sites). It's not the same thing as, say, a personal email or something from a mailing list that was unimportant but that should still get a little bit of eyeball time at some point.

3. There are a few use cases... sometimes I want to investigate why I got some spam after the 1-month period when it's deleted, meaning I want the message headers etc. to be there. Other times I want a filter that automatically keeps everything matching it because I might not be able to guarantee that I'll look into the spam folder every month, and I cannot risk losing some emails that way. (How do I respond when someone asks if I got their email and I don't have a copy to check?) I honestly think there's no compelling reason why whether or not an email is spam has to be tied to its lifetime.

For undoing, any chance you could address why "View Message" couldn't just send the email right then? It's impossible to undo afterward, so delaying after it's clicked seems entirely counterproductive, right?

Re: Dan Ariely Tries to Fix Email (2017)

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Is email even broken? Seems fine to me. I'd love to use it more, actually, over the abomination that is Slack and constant notifications and distractions. Also, it will never be focused on your needs if it's free. Just pay the damn five bucks a month for fastmail or protonmail, etc. Or roll your own server. You'll get a nice clean interface and nobody shoving crap like AMP for email (aka embrace, extend, extinguish)…

One way that email is hugely broken for the industry I am in is the inability to send attachments exceeding 25mb without using a file sharing service. If that could be fixed I'd be happy as a clam.
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