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Wikimedia warns EU copyright reform threatens the ‘vibrant free web’

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Re: Wikimedia warns EU copyright reform threatens the ‘vibrant free web’

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Please take the next step https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Text_Copyright_Viola...

Nearly 2000 words on how I can police their website for them? No, thanks. If they took this problem seriously they would build a system to catch copy-paste before it went live on their site.

There is no 'them'. The Wikipedia community comprises everyone who wants to participate. WMF is small in comparison.

Re: Wikimedia warns EU copyright reform threatens the ‘vibrant free web’

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> Wikipedia is about the only major non-ad supported website that normal people visit. Which costs $69 million per year to operate, has 300+ employees and requires six million donations. Your example also isn't free. > Most user content is probably on Facebook or Medium Medium is less than 1% the size of Wordpress, both in terms of traffic and amount of content. The majority of all content on Wordpress sites is ad fr…

I'm not sure what you're implying, but I would say that $69 million per year is incredibly small compared to the amazing benefit that Wikipedia provides the world. Also, this money comes out of the pockets of people like myself who are happy to sponsor it for everyone else. I personally love this patronage model and would be happy to sponsor an ad-free open-access newspaper in a similar way, if I found one that I had…

That's a silly way to value Wikipedia IMO.

Fire is useful, so everyone who uses fire should pay a company some money? No, that's clearly mad. No matter how useful it is if it's poorly optimised or over costly then we should do better, not settle because it's already a great RoI.

Re: Wikimedia warns EU copyright reform threatens the ‘vibrant free web’

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I'm not sure what you're implying, but I would say that $69 million per year is incredibly small compared to the amazing benefit that Wikipedia provides the world. Also, this money comes out of the pockets of people like myself who are happy to sponsor it for everyone else. I personally love this patronage model and would be happy to sponsor an ad-free open-access newspaper in a similar way, if I found one that I had…

That's a silly way to value Wikipedia IMO. Fire is useful, so everyone who uses fire should pay a company some money? No, that's clearly mad. No matter how useful it is if it's poorly optimised or over costly then we should do better, not settle because it's already a great RoI.

Your analogy is silly. Fire is free to make (discounting the extremely little time/effort to make it). Hosting an online encyclopedia with low latency, moderation, etc is not.

Re: Wikimedia warns EU copyright reform threatens the ‘vibrant free web’

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Article 13 is the key one, mandating upload filtering. This has all sorts of side effects - suddenly you can't make a Dropbox style file sharing site without implementing pre-emptive filtering. You can't rely on notify-and-takedown. Article 11 potentially has huge implications for social media sites; suddenly a user posting a news article link with a quote becomes a copyright liability. All the worry that was focused…

I feel like there isn't enough focus on this point - mandating extra elements (filters) inside an otherwise direct line of communication is always a bad idea. The best case scenario you get is the telephone game...

Re: Wikimedia warns EU copyright reform threatens the ‘vibrant free web’

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post #7

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Please take the next step https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Text_Copyright_Viola...

Wikipedia should verify the copyright before allowing changes. It should not be the publishers responsibility to enforce the copyright. Wikipedia should be responsible because they decided they wanted to allow anyone to edit. They should hire moderators, and if they cannot moderate, they should not run a platform of theft.

People who think like this should really chill the fuck out. Ownership of thoughts and ideas is pathetic at best, if you don't want it shared, keep it to yourself.

But nooo, "I want everyone to hear me and I want them to know it was me who said it. Me me me. I'm important, I want to feel like it". Get the fuck over it.

And if you want to make money off of it, there are plenty of much better ways besides braindead ads. GDPR seems to pander a bit too much to carebears.

Re: Wikimedia warns EU copyright reform threatens the ‘vibrant free web’

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Unfortunately, there isn’t a vibrant free web. Wikipedia is about the only major non-ad supported website that normal people visit. Most user content is probably on Facebook or Medium. Most breaking news is first available on twitter. Even independent websites, most likely have Google analytics and Google ads. From a European point of view, the current copyright situation is just a wealth transfer from European compa…

Funny how the "big bad American companies" will be the only ones capable of following the draconian laws on filtering and blocking content.

If anything they will make more money, not less.

Not to mention the absurdity of the link tax, I'm thinking that could be the last nail on the coffin of traditional media.

Re: Wikimedia warns EU copyright reform threatens the ‘vibrant free web’

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post #7

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Please take the next step https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Text_Copyright_Viola...

Nearly 2000 words on how I can police their website for them? No, thanks. If they took this problem seriously they would build a system to catch copy-paste before it went live on their site.

Sure, the magical internet gnomes can know what every book in the world contains and detect copy paste like that.

I would expect to read such an uninformed comment on Fox News comment section.

Re: Wikimedia warns EU copyright reform threatens the ‘vibrant free web’

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post #7

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Please take the next step https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Text_Copyright_Viola...

Wikipedia should verify the copyright before allowing changes. It should not be the publishers responsibility to enforce the copyright. Wikipedia should be responsible because they decided they wanted to allow anyone to edit. They should hire moderators, and if they cannot moderate, they should not run a platform of theft.

> Wikipedia should verify the copyright

LOL

Re: Wikimedia warns EU copyright reform threatens the ‘vibrant free web’

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post #13

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Wikipedia should verify the copyright before allowing changes. It should not be the publishers responsibility to enforce the copyright. Wikipedia should be responsible because they decided they wanted to allow anyone to edit. They should hire moderators, and if they cannot moderate, they should not run a platform of theft.

> It should not be the publishers responsibility to enforce the copyright. Why not? Copyright is an unnatural right created in the name of encouraging creative output; if the person who owns the rights to control copying a work don’t enforce it, why should the rest of us do it for them?

Don't you have a bloom filter for all content ever created with which you can compare the content?

Re: Wikimedia warns EU copyright reform threatens the ‘vibrant free web’

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> Wikipedia is about the only major non-ad supported website that normal people visit. Which costs $69 million per year to operate, has 300+ employees and requires six million donations. Your example also isn't free. > Most user content is probably on Facebook or Medium Medium is less than 1% the size of Wordpress, both in terms of traffic and amount of content. The majority of all content on Wordpress sites is ad fr…

There should be a better mechanism for funding sites like Wikipedia that provide what is effectively a global, common, public good. Perhaps a budget from the UN or something should be set aside for funding projects like Wikimedia, Archive.org, etc. It’s a bit ridiculous that something so important to so many people relies on donations from individuals.

One of the problems with that model is it centralizes power in one organization which is subject to the whims of its members. I’d argue that that might guarantee less stability than the current system.

Perhaps a large endowment, like private universities, could work? Enough money to let them invest in a diversified portfolio and run their sites off of the profits.

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