Live data from Hacker News

The World’s Oldest Blockchain Has Been Hiding in the New York Times Since 1995

motherboard.vice.com

21–30 of 83 posts

Re: The World’s Oldest Blockchain Has Been Hiding in the New York Times Since 1995

#21

Interesting. Now how do we turn this into virtual currency?

I've got an idea - classified advertising!

We'll start selling space in the coinbase field to real estate advertisers and escort services!

'The Times 03/Jan/2009: room to rent in 3br share house in The Mission, $2600/month+utilities'

Re: The World’s Oldest Blockchain Has Been Hiding in the New York Times Since 1995

#22

This describes something from Surety, LLC. Too bad their web page doesn't have https. Hard to take them as seriously. http://surety.com/

The login page has ssl. https://enterprise.surety.com/MyAbsoluteProof/ChangeMyAccoun...

Re: The World’s Oldest Blockchain Has Been Hiding in the New York Times Since 1995

#23
Initially I thought this was commissioned advertising, and it did read as such.

However, the ex-CEO has mentioned that it only operates for existing customers (https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=17865294), which conflicts with that view somewhat, so maybe this isn't an ad.

In any case; where can I view 1995 copies of NYT for free? :)

Re: The World’s Oldest Blockchain Has Been Hiding in the New York Times Since 1995

#24

This describes something from Surety, LLC. Too bad their web page doesn't have https. Hard to take them as seriously. http://surety.com/

The login page has ssl. https://enterprise.surety.com/MyAbsoluteProof/ChangeMyAccoun...

If the page that links to the login page hasn't proven it's secure, I shouldn't trust the links, and therefore shouldn't trust the destination. Hence why static landing pages need HTTPS just as much as login pages.

Re: The World’s Oldest Blockchain Has Been Hiding in the New York Times Since 1995

#25
post #23

Initially I thought this was commissioned advertising, and it did read as such. However, the ex-CEO has mentioned that it only operates for existing customers ( https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=17865294 ), which conflicts with that view somewhat, so maybe this isn't an ad. In any case; where can I view 1995 copies of NYT for free? :)

> In any case; where can I view 1995 copies of NYT for free? :)

Every public library in the United States, if I'm not mistaken, and a large number of major libraries worldwide.

Re: The World’s Oldest Blockchain Has Been Hiding in the New York Times Since 1995

#26
post #20
post #12

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The “block” in blockchain is due to it being a byzantine fault tolerant replicated state machine. If it were centralised there would be no need for a block. That may be the main distinguishing characteristic. Git is another example of an application running on a hash chain, but it doesn’t have blocks because it doesn’t require a slow / costly consensus process.

Feels a bit like that's a post-facto argument to me. It sounds like the Surity thing had "blocks" consisting of a week's worth of documents which got chained together and had their hash published irrevocably every week. Without the subsequent invention and popularity of the specific implementation of the bitcoin blockchain - I don't think the slow/costly consensus "feature" could be considered a requirement to distin…

> I'm still pissed at all the people who've decided they should call my non-autonomous quadcopters "drones"

Apparently we should call them quadpters because it's based on helicopter for which the ethymology is not heli + copter, but helico + pter, like in helicoidal and pterodactyl.

Re: The World’s Oldest Blockchain Has Been Hiding in the New York Times Since 1995

#27
post #18
post #16

Just a hash chain, pretty sure one can find much older ones. some old checksums might do that too. When someone says blockchain, in my book (and this might differ from others) - its about the consensus algorithm used to prevent tampering, like POW as introduced by Bitcoin.

I think the most general thing you could say is monadic mutations of some global state. Blocks act as operators on this state. I don't necessarily think it has to be a consensus algorithm. It can be used as that though.

Blocks are taken as part of the blockchain once there is consensus amongst the nodes that it is valid, so the consensus algorithm (as well as the POW algorithm) are integral parts of what makes a blockchain a blockchain

Re: The World’s Oldest Blockchain Has Been Hiding in the New York Times Since 1995

#28
post #25
post #23

Initially I thought this was commissioned advertising, and it did read as such. However, the ex-CEO has mentioned that it only operates for existing customers ( https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=17865294 ), which conflicts with that view somewhat, so maybe this isn't an ad. In any case; where can I view 1995 copies of NYT for free? :)

> In any case; where can I view 1995 copies of NYT for free? :) Every public library in the United States, if I'm not mistaken, and a large number of major libraries worldwide.

Hmm. I was hoping there was a way I could do so online.

Mumbles something about equal opportunity open access and the bourgeois

Re: The World’s Oldest Blockchain Has Been Hiding in the New York Times Since 1995

#29
post #20

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Feels a bit like that's a post-facto argument to me. It sounds like the Surity thing had "blocks" consisting of a week's worth of documents which got chained together and had their hash published irrevocably every week. Without the subsequent invention and popularity of the specific implementation of the bitcoin blockchain - I don't think the slow/costly consensus "feature" could be considered a requirement to distin…

> I'm still pissed at all the people who've decided they should call my non-autonomous quadcopters "drones" Apparently we should call them quadpters because it's based on helicopter for which the ethymology is not heli + copter, but helico + pter, like in helicoidal and pterodactyl.

Or tetrapter, to stick with Greek roots (though I'm personally fine with heteroradicalism!)

Re: The World’s Oldest Blockchain Has Been Hiding in the New York Times Since 1995

#30
post #28
post #25

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> In any case; where can I view 1995 copies of NYT for free? :) Every public library in the United States, if I'm not mistaken, and a large number of major libraries worldwide.

Hmm. I was hoping there was a way I could do so online. Mumbles something about equal opportunity open access and the bourgeois

New York Public Library, with a library card: https://www.nypl.org/blog/2013/08/22/how-to-search-nytimes

Los Angeles Public Library, with a library card: https://www.lapl.org/new-york-times-digital (and you can apply for an e-card online for free: http://www.lapl.org/about-lapl/contact-us/e-card/e-card-regi...)

Kansas City Public Library, with a library card: https://www.kclibrary.org/blog/kc-unbound/how-read-back-issu...

Etc.

Summary: get a public library card, support the oh-so-terribly bourgeois public library system ;)

Post reply on HN