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I'm Wil Wheaton. I Live with Chronic Depression and Anxiety. I Am Not Ashamed

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Re: I'm Wil Wheaton. I Live with Chronic Depression and Anxiety. I Am Not Ashamed

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So what do you guys think: hunter-gatherers, then feudal farmers and then now - how does median/average suffering per capita compare? We all have better luxuries now than kings had hundreds of years ago. Less famine, life threatening situations and so on. But we do have a way to compare ourselves with best parts of lives of many interesting people around the world. We have antibiotics and painkillers, but we also see…

Hunter gatherers didn't necessarily suffer that much. Sure, they faced a lot of environmental challenges like bugs, a lack of air conditioning, hunger, and serious diseases like malaria and smallpox, but they arguably had much easier social customs than we do now.

There were no clothes, no laws, no social signaling for the most part. If you didn't like your tribe, I'm sure you were free to run away and eat berries in the forest and try to figure it out yourself.

These days being homeless is illegal and they face a lot of harassment. You are forced to conform and commute to a job to pay for a bed to sleep in.

Re: I'm Wil Wheaton. I Live with Chronic Depression and Anxiety. I Am Not Ashamed

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Is there any progress being made with regards to gut microbiomes causing depression? it's such a new area of research that it has the potential to bring out a cure for depression if we figure out why it's caused. I don't believe it's some un-crackable enigma living in the mind, because neuroplasticity is very very easy to change.

Re: I'm Wil Wheaton. I Live with Chronic Depression and Anxiety. I Am Not Ashamed

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Is there any evidence that talking about depression openly, or talk-type therapies, help to reduce depression? My experience of colleagues talking openly about these things is that it becomes a self-perpetuating cycle, and ultimately makes things worse.

Relevant background:I'm a psychiatrist.

"Talking about it" and "talking with a therapist" are different, and a good therapist using an evidence-based approach to therapy is effective. Evidence-based therapies are different than "chatting with a buddy."

That said, finding a good and well-trained therapist is often difficult. In approximately 10% of people, psychotherapy makes things worse rather than better. Sleep hygiene and regular exercise are always a good idea, and in some cases medication is worth considering.

Re: I'm Wil Wheaton. I Live with Chronic Depression and Anxiety. I Am Not Ashamed

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Is there any evidence that talking about depression openly, or talk-type therapies, help to reduce depression? My experience of colleagues talking openly about these things is that it becomes a self-perpetuating cycle, and ultimately makes things worse.

I have some level of social anxiety and it helped me a lot to talk to someone who accepted it as a real thing. Previously my experience was that people wouldn't want to hear how I felt and just told me "go out, talk to a few people and have fun".

I think it's the same for depression. It's nice to not have to live in hidden shame where you know that something is wrong but nobody accepts it as real.

Re: I'm Wil Wheaton. I Live with Chronic Depression and Anxiety. I Am Not Ashamed

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I'm glad a celebrity is willing to come out and talk about this stuff, it makes me feel less insane for suffering through it myself.

But there's not much actual advice here. It sounds like the main thing that helped him were pills.

Also:

> as a white, heterosexual, cisgender man in America, I live life on the lowest difficulty setting

What a pathetic, and wholly incorrect thing to say.

Re: I'm Wil Wheaton. I Live with Chronic Depression and Anxiety. I Am Not Ashamed

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This article strikes me as partially honest and raw and then the other to be very planned and calculated. Let's get this out now: I'm glad he finally sought help, and that he's getting it. The things about this article that bug me: 1. He starts off with the article with a "trigger warning." The title is about depression and anxiety. Having a 'trigger warning' is either insulting to the reader, or it's a weird posturi…

>> My life is, by every objective measurement, very very good.

> Clearly not if you're suffering.

C'mon, you know this statement was meant to illustrate the fact that even if everything in your life is going your way, it doesn't mean that you are immune from depression.

I can see where you are coming from on your other points, although I don't share all your sentiments myself. So ok, he probably shouldn't become a psychiatrist. And maybe the next talk he gives at a mental illness conference could benefit from some of this constructive criticism (I agree on that whole "I live life on the lowest difficulty setting" bit).

But overall, I see this article as a big plus in the fight against the stigma of mental illness, and the struggle for those afflicted to find help. Sure he's not an expert in the medical field, and his style of sharing his own story maybe isn't for everybody, but surely there is more value to him sharing than just that he is getting help for himself.

Re: I'm Wil Wheaton. I Live with Chronic Depression and Anxiety. I Am Not Ashamed

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post #2

So what do you guys think: hunter-gatherers, then feudal farmers and then now - how does median/average suffering per capita compare? We all have better luxuries now than kings had hundreds of years ago. Less famine, life threatening situations and so on. But we do have a way to compare ourselves with best parts of lives of many interesting people around the world. We have antibiotics and painkillers, but we also see…

We have the luxury of operating at much higher levels of Maslow's hierarchy of needs than generations past. I would much rather worry about whether my life truly matters than worry about whether my life will immediately come to an end if I can't kill or grow enough food. Depression was probably always an issue, today we just have the privilege of it being the most pressing problem for many of us.

> We have the luxury of operating at much higher levels of Maslow's hierarchy of needs than generations past.

IIRC, there's is strong reason to discount Maslow's heirarchy as an explanation of anything across different times and cultures, as the number, identity, and order of groups of needs had been shown to not consistently match his and to vary both culturally and, within a culture, in response to changing circumstances.

Re: I'm Wil Wheaton. I Live with Chronic Depression and Anxiety. I Am Not Ashamed

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I feel like capitalism separates people based on intelligence because value is added to businesses/society by your ability solve problems/create.

Manual labor is something literally anyone can do(barring major physical disability).

While this isn't a new idea in human history, the intelligent have always had it better, it's become a new problem recently that people who are of average intelligence cannot live decent lives.

This is just a theory but I feel like up until the past 20 or so years even if you were of average intelligence you could live a very decent life just working, raising your kids, etc.

Factory workers of the 60's made enough to do well for themselves and family.

Now with automation, outsourcing, etc, only the people who create the automation and can compete with the best minds from around the world have decent jobs, (i.e. STEM which isn't accessible intellectually to a fair amount of people).

So we're ALL competing intellectually now whereas before only some people were needed to be the brains and the rest could live a decent life.

I feel like constantly having to compete on this level with your mind having to constantly perform at its peak... not just to get ahead...but for basic survival without a foundational safety net, really lends itself to mental disorders or exaggerates existing ones.

Just my personal theory.

Re: I'm Wil Wheaton. I Live with Chronic Depression and Anxiety. I Am Not Ashamed

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post #8

This article strikes me as partially honest and raw and then the other to be very planned and calculated. Let's get this out now: I'm glad he finally sought help, and that he's getting it. The things about this article that bug me: 1. He starts off with the article with a "trigger warning." The title is about depression and anxiety. Having a 'trigger warning' is either insulting to the reader, or it's a weird posturi…

maybe he genuinely believes that 1) and 2) are important. or maybe he doesn't want to get trashed in the comments, so he just throws the easy disclaimers out front. either is fine, imo. 3) and 4), maybe you have a point there...

I think a lot of the issue that I had for that is that it comes across from me that he mixes speaking from a point of view of himself from the exterior then builds up a case of what was happening internally.

To me, the 1&2 just came off as "look at my accomplishments" rather than a humble and personal "I did well, and I felt that a lot of people saw me as x,y,z" Comments: He's been well known for being outspoken and aggressive towards people he disagrees with.

Re: I'm Wil Wheaton. I Live with Chronic Depression and Anxiety. I Am Not Ashamed

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post #8

This article strikes me as partially honest and raw and then the other to be very planned and calculated. Let's get this out now: I'm glad he finally sought help, and that he's getting it. The things about this article that bug me: 1. He starts off with the article with a "trigger warning." The title is about depression and anxiety. Having a 'trigger warning' is either insulting to the reader, or it's a weird posturi…

You've been downvoted because it sounds like you're rejecting Wil Wheaton's core point, which is to bring into the open a topic that is still pretty taboo in American society. He's doing this to raise awareness, and help other people who are suffering alone get help.

To address your points:

- This is planned and calculated only to the extent that it's a speech meant to get a point across. It is revealing personal vulnerability in order to help others who might be suffering from similar conditions, or those who have friends or family suffering from them, recognize the symptoms and take action.

1. The term "trigger warning" is sadly overloaded these days, but it is still useful for those suffering from the anxiety and depression he's talking about. Those are the people targeted by that paragraph, not you. Note that this speech was addressing NAMI, "National Association on Mental Illness", so it's likely some of those people were in the audience.

2. The word "objective" is the last sentence is key here. He is contrasting how other perceive the quality of his life vs how he's actually living it.

3. He's apologizing to his mother because she is likely going to hear or read this speech which reveals some pretty personal information, and she will likely blame herself. More generally, it's a message to people who have lost loved ones: don't blame yourselves.

4. Yes, he's trying to raise awareness and push for social change. Activism is part of doing that, and of course publishing this speech is as well.

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