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Australia bans Huawei and ZTE from supplying technology for its 5G network

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Re: Australia bans Huawei and ZTE from supplying technology for its 5G network

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Post by kentosi »

I don't understand the concern. Huawei isn't providing the 5G network, just the phones that latch on to it. It would presumably be Telstra (the primary Australian telecommunications provider) that would provide the network itself.

How is providing a 5G compatible phone any more a security risk than providing a 4G one?

Edit: I should have read this more thoroughly since it's not just about phone, but rather that "Australia has blocked Huawei and ZTE from providing equipment for its 5G network". Key word: equipment, which I'm guessing spans to the installation of infrastructure in Australia.

Re: Australia bans Huawei and ZTE from supplying technology for its 5G network

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Post by close04 »

zby wrote: post #19
lx3459683 wrote: post #16

Earlier quoted context omitted.

So US/AU government backdooring AU citizens is okay, but if China has access it's bad? People actually think like this now? We just collectively rolled over and accepted mass surveillance?

Even not looking on the democratic/dictatorship spectrum - outside interference will always be worse than what you get from insiders. Insiders at least depend on the country welfare - outsiders just don't give a fuck.

And the US is an insider for AU... how? Because if the NSA brought any revelation it's that the US backdoored even their allies without them knowing.

I get choosing the least evil but this is a defense only as much as burning dows a building and saying "at least this little piece survived" is a defense.

Re: Australia bans Huawei and ZTE from supplying technology for its 5G network

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Post by close04 »

JumpCrisscross wrote: post #10
close04 wrote: post #8

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Take it your mobile phone is built in Germany, with German components. ;) It's just a matter of picking your poison. You think your Cisco router has no backdoors? Your Intel CPU? Your Windows OS? Your Gmail account? This isn't about making you safer, it's about removing competition (as crappy as it may have been). And they eliminate competition both economically and in the spying game. The more companies there are th…

> You think your Cisco router has no backdoors? Accessible to a one-man dictatorship in Australia’s back yard? No. In any case, any backdoors in a Cisco product will be available to Canberra, a Five Eyes member.

> Accessible to a one-man dictatorship in Australia’s back yard? No.

Are you qualified to make that statement? No. Just before every major hacking revelation someone like you victoriously claimed we're totally safe.

Re: Australia bans Huawei and ZTE from supplying technology for its 5G network

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Post by ksec »

kentosi wrote: post #21

I don't understand the concern. Huawei isn't providing the 5G network, just the phones that latch on to it. It would presumably be Telstra (the primary Australian telecommunications provider) that would provide the network itself. How is providing a 5G compatible phone any more a security risk than providing a 4G one? Edit: I should have read this more thoroughly since it's not just about phone, but rather that "Aust…

Huawei is not just a phone company.

In Modern Telco ( Telstra) , they are mostly setting up, dealing with land / cell site lease, backbone, customer support and Retails. Along with some Network Engineers working along side with Telecom Network Equipment manufacturers for their Services.

That Telecom Network Equipment manufacturers could be Huawei, ZTE, Samsung, Nokia, or Ericsson. Samsung is an new entry and has very little market shares. Huawei is bigger than both Nokia and Ericsson combined.

Re: Australia bans Huawei and ZTE from supplying technology for its 5G network

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Post by torgian »

This is kinda funny and hypocritical when you devote a few brain cells to this.

Every country is gathering data on everyone. If you think they are respecting your privacy, you’re naive.

The US has been doing it for years. Secretly. EU and I bet you Australia too.

And even China, yes. But hey, at least China is honest about what they’re doing. Gotta respect that at least.

Point is, it’s just a show.

Re: Australia bans Huawei and ZTE from supplying technology for its 5G network

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Post by lnls »

bigcity wrote: post #17
close04 wrote: post #8

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Take it your mobile phone is built in Germany, with German components. ;) It's just a matter of picking your poison. You think your Cisco router has no backdoors? Your Intel CPU? Your Windows OS? Your Gmail account? This isn't about making you safer, it's about removing competition (as crappy as it may have been). And they eliminate competition both economically and in the spying game. The more companies there are th…

As an EU citizen I certainly prefer to be spied on by a country with a working legal system.

The US doesn't really have a working legal system for things happening outside its borders. In fact as a non US citizen outside the US you don't have much protection at all.

Re: Australia bans Huawei and ZTE from supplying technology for its 5G network

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Post by detaro »

kentosi wrote: post #21

I don't understand the concern. Huawei isn't providing the 5G network, just the phones that latch on to it. It would presumably be Telstra (the primary Australian telecommunications provider) that would provide the network itself. How is providing a 5G compatible phone any more a security risk than providing a 4G one? Edit: I should have read this more thoroughly since it's not just about phone, but rather that "Aust…

Huawei doesn't just make phones, they make network components too.

http://carrier.huawei.com/en/products/wireless-network

Re: Australia bans Huawei and ZTE from supplying technology for its 5G network

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Post by ksec »

dis-sys wrote: post #7
DyslexicAtheist wrote: post #4

Tie my kangaroo down sport, that's good news. Now we just need the sleepy EU to wake up so we get their spyware removed from our Mobile Operators infrastructure here!

Mercedes-Benz, BMW and Audi sold almost 2 million cars in China in 2017. Surely most of them can be replaced by Non-EU cars in case Huawei/ZTE are not allowed free access in EU. Trump wants a 25% tariff on every EU car, he is going to welcome such a suicidal move by the EU.

>Surely most of them can be replaced by Non-EU cars in case Huawei/ZTE are not allowed free access in EU.

China didn't allow free unrestricted access of Nokia and Ericsson in China either.

Re: Australia bans Huawei and ZTE from supplying technology for its 5G network

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Post by jazoom »

"This new architecture provides a way to circumvent traditional security controls by exploiting equipment in the edge of the network – exploitation which may affect overall network integrity and availability, as well as the confidentiality of customer data."

Hey Australian Government. You know what also protects confidentiality of customer data? Encryption.

Re: Australia bans Huawei and ZTE from supplying technology for its 5G network

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Post by zaro »

torgian wrote: post #25

This is kinda funny and hypocritical when you devote a few brain cells to this. Every country is gathering data on everyone. If you think they are respecting your privacy, you’re naive. The US has been doing it for years. Secretly. EU and I bet you Australia too. And even China, yes. But hey, at least China is honest about what they’re doing. Gotta respect that at least. Point is, it’s just a show.

My thoughts exactly, only that somebody else gets the downvotes :)
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