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Nvidia announces RTX 2000 GPU series with ‘6x more performance’ and ray-tracing

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Re: Nvidia announces RTX 2000 GPU series with ‘6x more performance’ and ray-tracing

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Post by carbocation »

aqme28 wrote: post #18
bitL wrote: post #12

Hmm, 24%-42% performance increase (14/16TFlops vs 11.3TFlops) for 70-90% price increase... And prices were already inflated by crypto that is now collapsing. Not sure who is the target market for this tech honestly. Still only 11GB RAM, even if 50% faster, making it a nonsense purchase for Deep Learning enthusiasts (state-of-art models are already larger). Unless somebody invented RTX-based coin of course, then this…

Where are you getting a 70-90% price increase? 1080s are ~$450, will now be $799. 1070s are ~$400, will now be $599. (I'm going off the top hits on Newegg)

For the 1080, by your numbers, $799/$450 represents a ~78% price increase.

Re: Nvidia announces RTX 2000 GPU series with ‘6x more performance’ and ray-tracing

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Post by hooloovoo_zoo »

bitL wrote: post #12

Hmm, 24%-42% performance increase (14/16TFlops vs 11.3TFlops) for 70-90% price increase... And prices were already inflated by crypto that is now collapsing. Not sure who is the target market for this tech honestly. Still only 11GB RAM, even if 50% faster, making it a nonsense purchase for Deep Learning enthusiasts (state-of-art models are already larger). Unless somebody invented RTX-based coin of course, then this…

I think it will still be popular for DL. The models themselves will fit and batches can be distributed over multiple cards during training.

Re: Nvidia announces RTX 2000 GPU series with ‘6x more performance’ and ray-tracing

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Post by nabla9 »

Any idea of how these GeForce RTX's perform in deep learning applications compared to Quadro RTX? (price/performance ratio)

I assume that they might have decent inference speed, but how about learning?

$800 card would be nice for initial testing and developing in personal desktop machine. Or are they somehow crippled??

Re: Nvidia announces RTX 2000 GPU series with ‘6x more performance’ and ray-tracing

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Post by old-gregg »

Putting AI/ML aside, I have a question for graphics experts or/and gamers: what is the practical [1] ceiling of the current champion, the 1080ti? I was under impression that that card already was much more than most people needed. In other words, is the new generation only useful for 4K gaming?

[1] By "practical" I mean on 1440p@144Hz monitors.

Re: Nvidia announces RTX 2000 GPU series with ‘6x more performance’ and ray-tracing

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Post by Bedon292 »

whichdan wrote: post #6

2080 Ti FE RTX 2080 Ti GTX 1080 Ti Price $1,199 $999 $699 GPU Architecture Turing Turing Pascal Boost Clock 1635 MHz 1545 MHz 1582 MHz Frame Buffer 11 GB GDDR6 11 GB GDDR6 11 GB GDDR5X Memory Speed 14 Gbps 14 Gbps 11 Gbps Memory Interface 352-bit 352-bit 352-bit CUDA Cores 4352 4352 3584 TDP 260W 250W 250W Giga Rays 10 10 ? 2080 FE RTX 2080 GTX 1080 Price $799 $699 $549 GPU Architecture Turing Turing Pascal Boost Clo…

Wow, were the founders editions really that cheap on the last gen? Guess the inflated prices from all the crypto mining really threw me off.

Re: Nvidia announces RTX 2000 GPU series with ‘6x more performance’ and ray-tracing

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Post by [deleted] »

aqme28 wrote: post #18
bitL wrote: post #12

Hmm, 24%-42% performance increase (14/16TFlops vs 11.3TFlops) for 70-90% price increase... And prices were already inflated by crypto that is now collapsing. Not sure who is the target market for this tech honestly. Still only 11GB RAM, even if 50% faster, making it a nonsense purchase for Deep Learning enthusiasts (state-of-art models are already larger). Unless somebody invented RTX-based coin of course, then this…

Where are you getting a 70-90% price increase? 1080s are ~$450, will now be $799. 1070s are ~$400, will now be $599. (I'm going off the top hits on Newegg)

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Re: Nvidia announces RTX 2000 GPU series with ‘6x more performance’ and ray-tracing

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Post by wlesieutre »

aqme28 wrote: post #18
bitL wrote: post #12

Hmm, 24%-42% performance increase (14/16TFlops vs 11.3TFlops) for 70-90% price increase... And prices were already inflated by crypto that is now collapsing. Not sure who is the target market for this tech honestly. Still only 11GB RAM, even if 50% faster, making it a nonsense purchase for Deep Learning enthusiasts (state-of-art models are already larger). Unless somebody invented RTX-based coin of course, then this…

Where are you getting a 70-90% price increase? 1080s are ~$450, will now be $799. 1070s are ~$400, will now be $599. (I'm going off the top hits on Newegg)

Those are the "Founder's Edition" prices for the first cards from Nvidia, so it's not quite this bad either.

MSRP on cards from OEMs should start at $499 for the 2070 and $699 for the 2080 ($100 cheaper than Nvidia's).

Personally I still think it's insane. I have a GTX 970 from October 2014 and that was $369.

EDIT: Even my $369 was a bit of a premium (OC edition and shortly after launch, I don't remember but I'm guessing I bought whatever was in stock). Wikipedia claims the GTX 970 launched in September 2014 at $329.

Assuming the $329 MSRP is comparable to the $499 announcement, the __70 line is up 52% in two generations. I'm sure it's better hardware, but that's a big pile of money.

And if my 970 experience holds through today, the OEM cards that are actually available are going to be pricier than the MSRP, but maybe still lower than the Founder's Edition.

We'll see where the 2060 ends up.

Re: Nvidia announces RTX 2000 GPU series with ‘6x more performance’ and ray-tracing

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Post by [deleted] »

hooloovoo_zoo wrote: post #22
bitL wrote: post #12

Hmm, 24%-42% performance increase (14/16TFlops vs 11.3TFlops) for 70-90% price increase... And prices were already inflated by crypto that is now collapsing. Not sure who is the target market for this tech honestly. Still only 11GB RAM, even if 50% faster, making it a nonsense purchase for Deep Learning enthusiasts (state-of-art models are already larger). Unless somebody invented RTX-based coin of course, then this…

I think it will still be popular for DL. The models themselves will fit and batches can be distributed over multiple cards during training.

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Re: Nvidia announces RTX 2000 GPU series with ‘6x more performance’ and ray-tracing

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Post by dragontamer »

Bedon292 wrote: post #25
whichdan wrote: post #6

2080 Ti FE RTX 2080 Ti GTX 1080 Ti Price $1,199 $999 $699 GPU Architecture Turing Turing Pascal Boost Clock 1635 MHz 1545 MHz 1582 MHz Frame Buffer 11 GB GDDR6 11 GB GDDR6 11 GB GDDR5X Memory Speed 14 Gbps 14 Gbps 11 Gbps Memory Interface 352-bit 352-bit 352-bit CUDA Cores 4352 4352 3584 TDP 260W 250W 250W Giga Rays 10 10 ? 2080 FE RTX 2080 GTX 1080 Price $799 $699 $549 GPU Architecture Turing Turing Pascal Boost Clo…

Wow, were the founders editions really that cheap on the last gen? Guess the inflated prices from all the crypto mining really threw me off.

Yeah, they were.

NVidia's lesson from the Crypto-boom seems to be: "Some gamers are willing to pay >$1000 for their cards".

EDIT: To be fair, NVidia is still on 14nm or 12nm class lithography (I forgot which one). So the increased die size of these new chips will naturally be more expensive than the 10xx series. Bigger chips cost more to produce after all. So if you fail to shrink the die, the economics demand that you increase the price instead.

Still, we all know that NVidia has fat margins. We also know that they overproduced the 1080 series during the Cryptoboom, and that they still want to sell all of their old cards. If they push the prices down too much, then no one will buy the old stuff.

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