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IBM Has a Watson Dilemma

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Re: IBM Has a Watson Dilemma

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So given that IBM’s only big commercial bet is (was?) Watson and it is clearly not going to drive significant revenue.. what do IBM do next? They ballsed up cloud, they let the rather impressive DB2 wither, and their software suite is... meh.

Broadcom might be interested in acquiring them.

Re: IBM Has a Watson Dilemma

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I have a friend who is an OB/GYN Oncologist in Indianapolis. Her hospital had IBM Watson Health on campus last year, and she mentioned to me in passing last month that they finally had kicked IBM off of their (learning) university's campus. When I asked her why, she said:

"Often times, Watson would recommend courses of treatment that would be completely incorrect, if not detrimental, to the patient. It became more of a hassle than a learning tool, and since the Residents are operating under my license, it's 'my way or the highway.'"

Hell, I went to an urgent care over the weekend, and they were still using a old IBM e-series application built with COBOL -- and when the doctor was inputting the drugs to prescribe, it warned him about potential interactions between the different drugs -- not something I had seen the EPIC system that my normal doctor uses do.

I still feel that there's a lot of good growth to be had for data scientists in the Health Care field...but, Watson itself is probably not the answer, and IBM should probably get rid of Ginni Rometty and find a new CEO, unless they want to continue cutting IBM down to a skeleton of what it used to be.

Re: IBM Has a Watson Dilemma

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Watson is just IBM's way to market solutions based on ML. The whole Jeopardy game where Watson beat the human contestants was a big advertisement for the set of solutions. When I was in school a couple of professors went to IBM's office . They were expecting a technical breakdown of how the Watson system worked. Instead they just got some marketing that you would not need to have to create code to solve problems. The professors promptly left after that.

Re: IBM Has a Watson Dilemma

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post #22

I have a friend who is an OB/GYN Oncologist in Indianapolis. Her hospital had IBM Watson Health on campus last year, and she mentioned to me in passing last month that they finally had kicked IBM off of their (learning) university's campus. When I asked her why, she said: "Often times, Watson would recommend courses of treatment that would be completely incorrect, if not detrimental, to the patient. It became more of…

I worked at Epic years ago, but even then it was able to warn about drug interactions. But those warnings were configured on a site-to-site basis; your normal doctor's hospital (or practice) may not have configured drug interaction checks.

Re: IBM Has a Watson Dilemma

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Watson isn't what investors and the general public thinks it is. It's now more or less some classifier/machine learning as a service plus a dev integration team you can hire to pull it into your codebase (which by the way, is lots of $$$) It is not difficult for anyone on HN to spend a weekend, read a machine learning book, and replicate most of Watson's functionality. It's IBM marketing at it's finest.

You should do that then. After you’re done you can staff up 400 sales people at $120000 salaries to snatch one of IBM’s clients to a $60m contract and make a cool $10m+ profit.

Re: IBM Has a Watson Dilemma

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post #24
post #22

I have a friend who is an OB/GYN Oncologist in Indianapolis. Her hospital had IBM Watson Health on campus last year, and she mentioned to me in passing last month that they finally had kicked IBM off of their (learning) university's campus. When I asked her why, she said: "Often times, Watson would recommend courses of treatment that would be completely incorrect, if not detrimental, to the patient. It became more of…

I worked at Epic years ago, but even then it was able to warn about drug interactions. But those warnings were configured on a site-to-site basis; your normal doctor's hospital (or practice) may not have configured drug interaction checks.

Not only that, but if the software at the Urgent Care is that old, it may be raising false flags on things that are no longer considered clinically relevant and just present a hassle for the provider to click through.

Re: IBM Has a Watson Dilemma

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post #22

I have a friend who is an OB/GYN Oncologist in Indianapolis. Her hospital had IBM Watson Health on campus last year, and she mentioned to me in passing last month that they finally had kicked IBM off of their (learning) university's campus. When I asked her why, she said: "Often times, Watson would recommend courses of treatment that would be completely incorrect, if not detrimental, to the patient. It became more of…

IBM's problems predate Rometty becoming CEO.

Re: IBM Has a Watson Dilemma

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post #7

Like much of IBM, Watson was/is a good platform for doing certain tasks, but blown completely out of proportion by IBM marketing. Not to mention that they now explicitly use it as a branding tool ("Watson Cloud", "Watson Health" etc.) On the one hand, you have Google open sourcing AI tools, courses, adding TPU-enabled machines on their cloud and using their own AI tools to do some pretty neat stuff. On the other, you…

I don't understand your point here. Google is not a competitor to IBM and so there is no "choice" to be made between the two. Sure Google has open sourced some great technologies (as have many others) but they are raw, low-level tools for Data Scientists to use. They aren't OOTB products ordinary people can use.

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Re: IBM Has a Watson Dilemma

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post #11

Earlier quoted context omitted.

you are full of it. Are you sure you can replicate beating world class players on jeopardy in a weekend?

While parent post is full-of-it on the general question of replicating Watson's full bag-of-techniques against client problems in a weekend, I believe the Watson Jeopardy victory was far less impressive than it seemed. It's a very-constrained domain, and the challenge Watson won has never been opened to scrappy teams other than IBM. I wrote up my doubts way back in 2011: https://memesteading.com/2011/02/16/ibm-watson…

> And, with 6 months to a year, as dominant as "Watson" was against the Jeopardy champs.

Was Watson dominant because it had a buzzer advantage, or because it could answer the questions better? I recall the other two guys furiously trying to hit the button on different occasions and sighing when Watson beat them out yet again. Thing is we don't know that Watson was better at answering the questions, only that it was better in the Jeopardy game play the way things were setup.

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