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Re: On Dollar Slices, Pizza Vectors, Prosciutto Zones and Topping Hyperspace

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Post by stronglikedan »

fjsolwmv wrote: post #17
sandworm101 wrote: post #16

Earlier quoted context omitted.

But outside of New England "New York Bagel" is polite code for Jewish bagel, ie the type using unleavened bread. It means actual bagel, not bagel-shaped bread. (I say jewish rather than kosher, because many of the best bagel places don't qualify as kosher. At Vancouver's best bagel place (siegels) you can get cheese on your Montreal smoked meat bagel.)

What's a non-Jewish New York Bagel? I've never heard of "Jewish bagel". Montreal bagels are "Jewish", and are the opposite of New York bagels.

A Jewish bagel weighs about three times as much as a non-Jewish bagel, and is about three times as dense. It doesn't have the airy, bread-like consistency that a non-Jewish bagel has. As my Jewish friends like to say (paraphrasing), "If I can throw it at your head and risk knocking you out, then it's a Jewish bagel."

Re: On Dollar Slices, Pizza Vectors, Prosciutto Zones and Topping Hyperspace

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Post by stronglikedan »

atomical wrote: post #8
_ZeD_ wrote: post #7

As an Italian, that... "things"... in the article are not pizzas

Any culture can redefine what pizza means.

But it's usually labeled with the regional descriptor intact, e.g., New York Style Pizza or Chicago Style Pizza. I think OP was just referring to the fact that pizza's region is Italian by default, and they are taking exception to the article omitting "New York Style", even though it was heavily implied, and apparent to all but a pedant.

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Post by [deleted] »

fjsolwmv wrote: post #18
cf498 wrote: post #15

Earlier quoted context omitted.

There are quite a lot of foods and beverages which have a protected name bound to the ingredients that are allowed to be used to create it in a specific way. Take Mozzarella in general or for a local example beer in Germany(Reinheitsgebot). It is not far fetched that Italian Pizza could be a candidate for a TSG marking. There are individual pizzas which already are protected, take Pizza Napoletana for example.

We're talking about NY Pizza, not Italian or Napoletana.

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Post by simtel20 »

currymj wrote: post #20
_ZeD_ wrote: post #7

As an Italian, that... "things"... in the article are not pizzas

The examples shown are all quite traditional and conservative. If you go to a lot of college towns you can get a pizza topped with taco ingredients, or fried chicken and bleu cheese, or even pesto sauce and cheese-filled tortellini.

Having these flavors in college towns may explain why midtown pizzarias catering to commuters dabble in these strange combinations as well.

Re: On Dollar Slices, Pizza Vectors, Prosciutto Zones and Topping Hyperspace

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Post by kimdotcom »

mywittyname wrote: post #9
kimdotcom wrote: post #3

I enjoyed this article, it used ML to classify geographical areas in NY culturally, based on pizza topping availability and $1 slice availability. They also attempted to predict the likelyhood of availability of toppings, based on neighborhood features.

Stupid question, but are you the actual Kim Dotcom?

No, definitely not.

Re: On Dollar Slices, Pizza Vectors, Prosciutto Zones and Topping Hyperspace

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Post by noer »

IIAOPSW wrote: post #6
noer wrote: post #4

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Not quite: this map [1] illustrates that there are large swaths of eastern Queens, southeastern Brooklyn, the Bronx and even parts of Manhattan that are more than a 10 minute walk from the subway. Since blocks between avenues are 1/3 of a mile long (and 1/20 of a mile between numbered streets), at 10th Av and 23rd St, you're about a 10 minute walk from both the 23rd ACE and 34th 7 stations (assuming you can walk a mi…

>What a lot of people don't realize is that the subway is not all that convenient to where large parts of the population in the city lives Um, how many people actually live in those islands you found? A lot of those narrow islands could be eliminated by just increasing the walk time to ~12 min. Even more should be covered by the recent 2nd ave extension. The whole strip on Manhattan's East side will be covered once t…

There are a fair amount of large housing developments outside of a 10-12 minute walk to a subway station. Co-Op city in the Bronx is huge (and according to Wikipedia, has 46K residents), LeFrak City in Queens is mostly out of that boundary and, the one on Pennsylvania Ave in Canarsie (whose name escapes me at the moment) are all large developments without easy subway access. You could probably also includes parts of Stuy Town/Peter Cooper Village and those Union Sponsored Mitchell-Lama towers in the LES as being farther than 10 minutes from a subway.

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Post by sandworm101 »

fjsolwmv wrote: post #17
sandworm101 wrote: post #16

Earlier quoted context omitted.

But outside of New England "New York Bagel" is polite code for Jewish bagel, ie the type using unleavened bread. It means actual bagel, not bagel-shaped bread. (I say jewish rather than kosher, because many of the best bagel places don't qualify as kosher. At Vancouver's best bagel place (siegels) you can get cheese on your Montreal smoked meat bagel.)

What's a non-Jewish New York Bagel? I've never heard of "Jewish bagel". Montreal bagels are "Jewish", and are the opposite of New York bagels.

Jewish bagels have holes. Non-jewish bagels, the ones with yeast, often rise so much as to occlude any hole. They are more hamburger bun than bagel.

Re: On Dollar Slices, Pizza Vectors, Prosciutto Zones and Topping Hyperspace

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Post by closed »

_ea1k wrote: post #5
noer wrote: post #4

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Not quite: this map [1] illustrates that there are large swaths of eastern Queens, southeastern Brooklyn, the Bronx and even parts of Manhattan that are more than a 10 minute walk from the subway. Since blocks between avenues are 1/3 of a mile long (and 1/20 of a mile between numbered streets), at 10th Av and 23rd St, you're about a 10 minute walk from both the 23rd ACE and 34th 7 stations (assuming you can walk a mi…

If pizza places were evenly distributed, what percentage of them would be greater than a 10 minute walk from the subway?

Restaurants in general might not be evenly distributed. If the claim is that the subway exerts an influence on pizza places above and beyond its general effect on restaurants--then I'd be interested to see the percentages for some other kinds of restaurants.

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Post by cm2012 »

IIAOPSW wrote: post #6
noer wrote: post #4

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Not quite: this map [1] illustrates that there are large swaths of eastern Queens, southeastern Brooklyn, the Bronx and even parts of Manhattan that are more than a 10 minute walk from the subway. Since blocks between avenues are 1/3 of a mile long (and 1/20 of a mile between numbered streets), at 10th Av and 23rd St, you're about a 10 minute walk from both the 23rd ACE and 34th 7 stations (assuming you can walk a mi…

>What a lot of people don't realize is that the subway is not all that convenient to where large parts of the population in the city lives Um, how many people actually live in those islands you found? A lot of those narrow islands could be eliminated by just increasing the walk time to ~12 min. Even more should be covered by the recent 2nd ave extension. The whole strip on Manhattan's East side will be covered once t…

A huge portion of northern, eastern and southern queens, eastern brooklyn, and staten island is more than a 10 minute walk from the subway. I live in Queens and am a 40 minute bus ride from the nearest subway station. Swaths of brooklyn are the same.

Here's a map showing the tiny portion of Queens in walking distance of subways. https://cwhong.carto.com/viz/6dfca01c-47e5-11e6-9fd3-0ee66e2.... And yes, it's almost all residential zoned, filled brick to brick with houses and apartments.

Based on this density map (https://www.google.com/search?q=pppulation+densoty+map+nyc&o...) I'd peg it at 35% of the city's pop.

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