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Is Type 2 Diabetes Reversible at Scale?

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Re: Is Type 2 Diabetes Reversible at Scale?

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Post by johnkpaul »

njs12345 wrote: post #19
johnkpaul wrote: post #7

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Roughly, the method used is the ketogenic diet. Very low carb, very high fat.

It might not necessarily be high in fat - it's probably the calorie restriction that works, as in this trial: https://www.nhs.uk/news/diabetes/radical-low-calorie-diet-ma...

I mean the method used by Virta in this particular link. I am not suggesting that there are not other methods that work.

Personally, and anecdotally, I have tried calorie restriction dozens of times since childhood and it has never brought down my A1C.

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Post by vfc1 »

nemo1618 wrote: post #2

Based on the length of this article, I was hoping it would actually, you know, describe the method used to reverse T2D, but I didn't see any such description other than vague references to "nutrition." Frustrating. Also, I'm skeptical of the claim that obesity does not cause T2D. Is this backed up by good studies?

Here are some videos about how to treat it - https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PL5TLzNi5fYd--uc9TA8ER...

Look for neal barnards books, including a cook book.

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Post by drivingmenuts »

SketchySeaBeast wrote: post #3

Does this read like an ad to anyone else? I can't help but notice their average BMI was 40. That's in the "extremely obese" category - pretty sure we're out of the "massively muscled" category (exception - monsters like Ronnie Coleman, but let's be honest here, his blood serum reading come back "minotaur" and the muscle is probably doing damage). I'd always assumed that for the majority of the population going from a…

Doesn't do a thing for me - I'm underweight as it is.

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Post by sergiosgc »

njs12345 wrote: post #19
johnkpaul wrote: post #7

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Roughly, the method used is the ketogenic diet. Very low carb, very high fat.

It might not necessarily be high in fat - it's probably the calorie restriction that works, as in this trial: https://www.nhs.uk/news/diabetes/radical-low-calorie-diet-ma...

It must be high fat. From the linked essay [1], the diet is 30g daily carbohydrates, 1.5g/Kg(body mass) protein. For an 80Kg individual, that results in 150*4=600Kcal. That means almost 2000Kcal in fat to reach the daily caloric intake.

[1] https://asset.jmir.pub/assets/a2c0047f60bd77156d22029b8bdd5c...

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Post by bena »

djsumdog wrote: post #10

> The entire intervention is managed by physicians and the nutritional approach is based on highly individualized carbohydrate restriction and nutritional ketosis (which I’ve written about extensively in the past and throughout this blog). People like to hate on low-carb approach. They say things like "It causes liver problems" which don't have a basis in reality. Human beings survived for thousands of years on way f…

Yeah. You can eat a lot of calories of pure sugar and still not "feel" full. Whereas it's hard to overeat lettuce, you'll literally fill up before you go over your daily caloric intake.

Not that I'm advocating a lettuce only diet. But as I acquire more and more information about how we eat, what we eat, etc, I've become of the opinion that we do have way too much salt, oil, and sugar in our diets. We can even cut down our meat consumption greatly with no ill effect.

We're survivors who haven't had to survive for centuries now.

Re: Is Type 2 Diabetes Reversible at Scale?

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Post by bena »

jerf wrote: post #11
nemo1618 wrote: post #2

Based on the length of this article, I was hoping it would actually, you know, describe the method used to reverse T2D, but I didn't see any such description other than vague references to "nutrition." Frustrating. Also, I'm skeptical of the claim that obesity does not cause T2D. Is this backed up by good studies?

"the nutritional approach is based on highly individualized carbohydrate restriction and nutritional ketosis (which I’ve written about extensively in the past and throughout this blog)." I think there's at least a 75% chance that the whole cure is essentially contained in that sentence. I've been keeping a bit of an eye on this area for a while, and watching the studies fling back and forth and such. My current pet t…

More of a description of a symptom rather than a cause?

Re: Is Type 2 Diabetes Reversible at Scale?

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Post by nabla9 »

Remission is more accurate term.

Remission is the state of absence of disease activity in patients with a chronic illness, with the possibility of return of disease activity.

I'm relatively sure that if patients quit their new lifestyle, they get to back to diabetes symptoms faster than those who didn't develop diabetes. It's also possible that they just delay the progress and after 5-10 years changes of nutrition is not enough anymore. Even then the results would be huge improvement.

Re: Is Type 2 Diabetes Reversible at Scale?

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Post by devmunchies »

djsumdog wrote: post #10

> The entire intervention is managed by physicians and the nutritional approach is based on highly individualized carbohydrate restriction and nutritional ketosis (which I’ve written about extensively in the past and throughout this blog). People like to hate on low-carb approach. They say things like "It causes liver problems" which don't have a basis in reality. Human beings survived for thousands of years on way f…

Fat + Carbs makes you fat. Cut out one and you lose weight. I'm on a plant based diet which is high carb (no highly-refined carbs) and I'm very fit.

If your body's glycogen stores are full from carbs then YES fat you consume goes straight to fat.

EDIT: and WFPB (whole food plant based) also reverses type 2 diabetes.

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