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Re: Richard Milner on a new U.S. particle accelerator

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post #16

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It is an argument for private donor-based science instead of public investment.

But OP said that the government could also pony up billions of dollars for the project. The main point seemed to be that universities are wasting their endowment with fancy buildings instead of doing science.

New fancy buildings entice more students with heavy student loans to spend.

Re: Richard Milner on a new U.S. particle accelerator

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why not finish the one in Texas? yes the facility probably needs repairs but a lot of initial work is done I would think?

The EIC and the SSC study radically different physical regimes, differing by 3 orders of magnitude in energy.

Re: Richard Milner on a new U.S. particle accelerator

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post #19

I thought particle physics were coming to an end? After CERN found the Higgs boson then nothing. The ROI of a more powerful accelerator is abysmal. It is impossible to know how large a new collider needs to be and if anything interesting will be found. Use the money on a moon-base instead and then mars.

"the rumors of my demise have been greatly exaggerated"

There are tens of thousands of us still driving the field (with many open questions) forward.

Re: Richard Milner on a new U.S. particle accelerator

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why not finish the one in Texas? yes the facility probably needs repairs but a lot of initial work is done I would think?

I wish that would happen, the SSC design is even more powerful than LHC. But not sure Texas is culturally the optimal place for such high science these days. Part of the opposition to SSC back in the day was religious. CA or NV might be better.

As long as you buy your project's land outright and don't try and take it via eminent domain, you're good.

https://www.texastribune.org/2017/02/23/come-and-take-it-emi...

Re: Richard Milner on a new U.S. particle accelerator

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Shouldn't we consider other possible ways of spending the moneys required, such as an AI endeavor perhaps?

Wouldn't most alternatives be significantly cheaper and more likely to provide new scientific information?

Finally, after seeing the politics of the Superconducting Super Collider, I don't envision any hope of a significantly larger accelerator within the next 100 years unless some incredible theoretical breakthrough makes it irresistable.

Re: Richard Milner on a new U.S. particle accelerator

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why not finish the one in Texas? yes the facility probably needs repairs but a lot of initial work is done I would think?

Politically considering how that went down... I don't know if any politician wants to touch that again. Except of course some in Texas.

Re: Richard Milner on a new U.S. particle accelerator

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Shouldn't we consider other possible ways of spending the moneys required, such as an AI endeavor perhaps? Wouldn't most alternatives be significantly cheaper and more likely to provide new scientific information? Finally, after seeing the politics of the Superconducting Super Collider, I don't envision any hope of a significantly larger accelerator within the next 100 years unless some incredible theoretical breakth…

Yea, isn't it about time someone spent some money on AI?

Re: Richard Milner on a new U.S. particle accelerator

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Shouldn't we consider other possible ways of spending the moneys required, such as an AI endeavor perhaps? Wouldn't most alternatives be significantly cheaper and more likely to provide new scientific information? Finally, after seeing the politics of the Superconducting Super Collider, I don't envision any hope of a significantly larger accelerator within the next 100 years unless some incredible theoretical breakth…

sigh, HN in a nutshell.
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