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Re: For babies, life may be like an LSD trip

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Post by s-shellfish »

callesgg wrote: post #7

Makes logical sense to me. A baby has nothing but its own genetically inherited model worldview to map its sensor input to. A model worldview that is primarily concerned with faces, treats, hunger and feelings. I takes many years to map these phenomena to a fuller model of the objective world. The brain and therefore the human consciousness cannot see the world as it is; the brain gets its information through sensory…

I just feel like comparing a baby's experience to someone on lsd would likely mean language/models don't exist, therefore self doesn't exist, logic doesn't exist therefore cause and effect don't exist, or at least everything our natural vocabulary/modeling structures allows us to connect with, like you are saying.

Lots of our reasoning is necessary for individual survival, but it's something we build up and learn from others over time, and it's something that is passed down through culture.

I would just imagine that being a baby or being on lsd is similar to no ways of chopping the world up, and no deep rooted ideas of the true nature of our experiences. I don't think you need drugs to get there or need to have/be a baby. I don't think it's much different than the purpose of attaining enlightenment, from the Buddhist perspective.

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Post by myth_drannon »

ojhughes wrote: post #10

I took a strong hit of acid when I was a teenager at Glastonbury festival. I ended up falling into a delusional, catatonic state where I thought I was in some kind of war zone surrounded by dead people. Thankfully some friends found me and talked me down. I hope babies don’t have an experience like that!

They do have, it's called baby night terrors. The baby wakes up in the middle of the night in some sort of trip and can scream for hours.

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Post by krageon »

hkai wrote: post #8

>Blake thought that the doors on perception are artificially kept semi-closed for cultural reasons - i.e. the ability to focus and do work for the enrichment of the powers that be. Statements like that sound a bit political and make me doubt what he is writing.

Is it really political to stop and think about what you are doing for the pure gain of someone else? I should think that's just critical thinking at work.

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Post by senorjazz »

skate22 wrote: post #11
ryanmercer wrote: post #3

Hmmmmm... Seems like "I found these few studies, it must mean babies are super humans that are tripping constantly!" Or healing happens faster because cell-division has a greater impact given the greater impact it has on total number of cells, and an abundance of stem cells still present as they develop helps with healing alongside growth and development. Then the fact that MOST things they encounter in the world are…

Not calling this post out specifically, but drugs make for good clickbait. Drugs in general are 'in' right now, and i agree that it's pretty forced these days. I have a very small sample size, but the friends i have who tripped regularly (not just on lsd) went on to have serious mental health issues. I know correlation =! causation, but it scares me how big the drug culture is becoming. These drugs may have their pla…

can confirm. Same with many of my friends. All heavy weed smokers, all used psychedelics. A worrying % went on to have some mental health issues.

Now I know all the pro-weed people say "yeah but it is those pre-disposed to having schizophrenic episodes". Perhaps, but at the sample rate in my experience and others who have met later on the % is far higher than I would have expected to be.

Same for just weed smoking. I post on a music forum, where near all members used to be heavy smokers . And anecdotally, about 80% had mental problems due to weed smoking. The cycle is clear. Heavy weed smoking for years. Stop enjoying it, but have become dependant. Come home from work. Smoke, freak out for an hour, effects wear off, smoke again, repeat. This goes on for 1-2 years before the realisation hits in, smoking is not good for me any more

------------------ for the record all were also poly-drug users, not exclusively smokers, so it could be caused by other drugs or the combination of. But I have no doubt it saying, this is not only people pre-disposed to mental health issues

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Post by itchyjunk »

skate22 wrote: post #11
ryanmercer wrote: post #3

Hmmmmm... Seems like "I found these few studies, it must mean babies are super humans that are tripping constantly!" Or healing happens faster because cell-division has a greater impact given the greater impact it has on total number of cells, and an abundance of stem cells still present as they develop helps with healing alongside growth and development. Then the fact that MOST things they encounter in the world are…

Not calling this post out specifically, but drugs make for good clickbait. Drugs in general are 'in' right now, and i agree that it's pretty forced these days. I have a very small sample size, but the friends i have who tripped regularly (not just on lsd) went on to have serious mental health issues. I know correlation =! causation, but it scares me how big the drug culture is becoming. These drugs may have their pla…

Well, if by 'in right now' you mean at least 7k - 9k years you might be right [0][1]. If you believe what ethnobotanist like Terence Mckenna [2] say, then it's much older and has shaped the hominids evolution quite significantly. It seems almost all cultures found local hallucinogens and exploited them heavily for ceremony, healing etc and was strong part of who they were [3].

Anecdotally, I think hallucinogen just highlighted mental issues that were already there. I also know some really smart people who have done their share of it with no problem (that i can see). If I could go back in time, i'd do it all again. We, as humans, were pretty open about all this not too long ago. I am happy to see a small number never stopped and psychonauts [4] though not always scientific, have kept exploring and bringing back ideas and experiences for these alternate states of reality.

Tangentially, Carlos Castaneda's [5] books were some of the best i've read and would recommend it to people.

[0] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Psilocybin#History

[1] https://www.newscientist.com/article/mg20928025-400-earliest...

[2] https://www.vice.com/en_us/article/yvqqpj/psilocybin-the-mus...

[3] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_entheogenic/hallucinog...

[4] https://www.reddit.com/r/Psychonaut/

[5] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Carlos_Castaneda

Re: For babies, life may be like an LSD trip

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Post by collyw »

skate22 wrote: post #11
ryanmercer wrote: post #3

Hmmmmm... Seems like "I found these few studies, it must mean babies are super humans that are tripping constantly!" Or healing happens faster because cell-division has a greater impact given the greater impact it has on total number of cells, and an abundance of stem cells still present as they develop helps with healing alongside growth and development. Then the fact that MOST things they encounter in the world are…

Not calling this post out specifically, but drugs make for good clickbait. Drugs in general are 'in' right now, and i agree that it's pretty forced these days. I have a very small sample size, but the friends i have who tripped regularly (not just on lsd) went on to have serious mental health issues. I know correlation =! causation, but it scares me how big the drug culture is becoming. These drugs may have their pla…

Drugs have been "in" for centuries.

Re: For babies, life may be like an LSD trip

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Post by Flenser »

efficax wrote: post #26

Who is ray peat and why do we care? This is some late 90s weird internet. It’s good to see the crazy is still going but this stuff seems more speculative than evidence based

from the first PDF linked:

> Raymond F. Peat, Director, Blake College, Eugene, Oregon, and Nutritional Consultant, Medical Diet Service, Portland, Oregon. M.A. General Studies, University of Oregon, 1960. Ph.D., Biology, University of Oregon, 1972. 300'/2 N. Jefferson, Eugene, Oregon 97402.

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