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British divers make contact with missing Thai football team

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Re: British divers make contact with missing Thai football team

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

you can survive over a month without food, but they must have found some water. update: they are surrounded by water which gets contaminated by their excrements. not good.

Yes, I'd like to know where they found water clean enough to drink, or a way to make it clean. Floodwater runoff is probably not the best thing to ingest…

Note everyone is used to having chlorinated and flouride(d) water so their bodies might have been used to relatively dirty water. Of course, I could wrong in their case...don't know their background

Re: British divers make contact with missing Thai football team

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Those divers are super brave. This was done under extremely difficult circumstances, they risked their lives with a reasonably high chance of at least one of them not making it back.

What's astounding is that they barely managed to scrape by with the amount of ration that was left, and the first thing the boys asked for after contact was for food and fresh water -- cannot imagine how ravenous those young lads must've been. [0]

Also, just a reminder -- they're still not out yet. Thailand's armed forces are still at work trying to figure out a way to get the boys out, given how deep inside the cave they're stuck (more than a kilometer inside). News reports suggest the team and its coach would be getting months' worth of supplies and diving lesson in case water level rises. Very dramatic. [0]

[0] https://www.dw.com/en/thailand-boys-soccer-team-lost-in-cave...

[1] https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2018/07/02/twelve-children-...

Re: British divers make contact with missing Thai football team

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"None of them can swim" Great idea to take them down into a flooded cave in rainy season. Even though now found, they will still be very lucky to get out alive. How? I think it is the case of learn to swim and dive right down there or die. Whatever was their coach thinking?

Locals can easily be careless about weather; if the monsoon season doesn't normally started at near the end of June, then I can see the conversation being "normally it doesn't rain around this time. It should still be fine to go in." I won't argue that the coach were being careless, though.

Disclaimer: my mother is from the region (Mae Chan is only few kms away from the cave, which is in Mae Sai) and she wasn't surprised with the fact that they went in.

Re: British divers make contact with missing Thai football team

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Those divers are super brave. This was done under extremely difficult circumstances, they risked their lives with a reasonably high chance of at least one of them not making it back.

What's astounding is that they barely managed to scrape by with the amount of ration that was left, and the first thing the boys asked for after contact was for food and fresh water -- cannot imagine how ravenous those young lads must've been. [0] Also, just a reminder -- they're still not out yet. Thailand's armed forces are still at work trying to figure out a way to get the boys out, given how deep inside the cave…

>Very dramatic.

Indeed. Reminds me of the Chilean mining incident 8 years ago which had many parallels to the one in Thailand.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/2010_Copiap%C3%B3_mining_acc...

Re: British divers make contact with missing Thai football team

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This is great news, but sadly their lives are still very much at risk. They are too deep to drill down to, there is a lot of rain to pump out (and the rain can continue), and they can't swim (even if they could, this is a hard dive for those that can).

Found this from a Bill Whitehouse:

Bill Whitehouse, vice-chair of the British Cave Rescue Council which is helping the rescue efforts, played down speculation the boys could be taught to dive.

Speaking to BBC Radio 4’s Today programme he suggested they could be guided through the water in “packages”.

Asked how feasible it would be to teach the children to dive, he said: “It is certainly not easy. The other alternative is that you literally bring them out in packages. In other words you fit them with diving equipment: a full face mask, instead of having a gag in your mouth like a lot of divers use; package them up; put the correct weights on them so that they are neutrally bouyant and are not going to get stuck again. It has been done before.”

He also explained how the British divers reached the trapped group.

    They were diving upstream in the system so they were having to swim against the current,
    or pull themselves along the walls. Some of the cave is fairly constricted and other points
    aren’t. I gather the actual diving section was about 1.5km, about half of which was
    completely flooded and about half of which was open.

    They estimated that a round trip to where the party was and back again is probably about three hours.
Whitehouse was sceptical about the prospects of pumping enough water out of the cave to allow the boys to walk to safety. He said: “They are trying to do that with pumping, but pumping a monsoon away is not that easy.”

Re: British divers make contact with missing Thai football team

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"None of them can swim" Great idea to take them down into a flooded cave in rainy season. Even though now found, they will still be very lucky to get out alive. How? I think it is the case of learn to swim and dive right down there or die. Whatever was their coach thinking?

Since the cave is off-limit during rainy season (which typically shouldn't have begun yet), I'd guess that nobody know the cave will flood

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How does cave oxygen supply work? Would they not run out of oxygen by the time they can get out? Also, one detail that CNN got that I didn't see in this article: it seems the cave is one kilometer underground ! [1] EDIT 1: The CNN article partially answers my first question: "Rescuers will also pump air into the cave to improve conditions." EDIT 2: Another important bit here [2]: "It won't be anything like diving tha…

This article about Harrison Okene whose boat sank is interesting in terms of surviving in an air bubble underwater (and seems somewhat analogous to the cave situation).

http://www.slate.com/articles/health_and_science/science/201...

Re: British divers make contact with missing Thai football team

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

you can survive over a month without food, but they must have found some water. update: they are surrounded by water which gets contaminated by their excrements. not good.

They were stuck in a cave that was flooding. Plenty of water to go around. Probably not the cleanest but will do in an emergency.

Diarrhea will make you die a lot faster, your attitude is a bit blasè for water that is potentially contaminated with feces.

Re: British divers make contact with missing Thai football team

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Assuming the divers will have to shuttle supplies to the trapped team: is there a way to make repeated dives less risky, such as stringing a guide line that divers can follow?

Narongsak explained that the divers had fixed rope lines along the passageway and distributed oxygen tanks along their route, allowing them to advance through the exceptionally narrow passageway unencumbered by bulky equipment. Other teams worked to pump out floodwater and divert groundwater, he said. It seems like they have something like this in place already. From what I understand the passageway is quite narrow,…

Now that the route is mapped, I wonder if you could get robots to do the supply trips instead.

Re: British divers make contact with missing Thai football team

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post #4

Earlier quoted context omitted.

They were stuck in a cave that was flooding. Plenty of water to go around. Probably not the cleanest but will do in an emergency.

Diarrhea will make you die a lot faster, your attitude is a bit blasè for water that is potentially contaminated with feces.

Why would there be feces? They aren't in sewers.

And even if there was a chance of diarrhoea, what would be your alternative?

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