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Re: Tails 3.8 is out

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Post by greggarious »

willvarfar wrote: post #12
afturner wrote: post #7

Earlier quoted context omitted.

ahhh but where are you purchasing this "new" computer? It'd be foolish to assume that all new devices are clean.

There are classic cases of machines being intercepted in the post (including the cipher machines posted to the US Embassy in Moscow!). But if you go pick out a machine from a store and take it home immediately then the chances of it having something preinstalled specifically to target you is nil.

>if you go pick out a machine from a store and take it home immediately then the chances of it having something preinstalled specifically to target you is nil

Well, the chances of having government installed malware is nil ;)

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Superfish#Lenovo_security_inci...

(Kidding aside, purchasing a laptop at a store then wiping it is probably reasonably secure for even more paranoid users)

Re: Tails 3.8 is out

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Post by forapurpose »

htor wrote: post #19

tails 3.8 comes with a handy typing blanket too!

I get the joke, but how secure are passwords these days? There are cameras everywhere; if you type your password in public there's a reasonable chance a camera will pick it up; it wouldn't seem impossible to automate recognition of which keys you are pressing.

Re: Tails 3.8 is out

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Post by timerol »

g0dg0d wrote: post #20

Snowden revelations mentioned that even downloading or visiting sliaT website gets you on a list.

If that is truly the case, then we should encourage as many people as possible to visit the Tails' site. If the list changes from "these people are doing 'dangerous' things" to "these people know someone who likes technology", then the list itself becomes a lot less useful.

Re: Tails 3.8 is out

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Post by sneak »

greggarious wrote: post #15
daotoad wrote: post #10

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Well, you just blew your cover. They're watching you now. Alternatively, everyone could pretend to be a muslim-environmentalist-communist with strong interests in nuclear chemistry and virology. It isn't possible to watch everyone. Crap, they're gonna be watching me, now, too. Are you sure you aren't an agent provocateur?

>Well, you just blew your cover. They're watching you now. "They're" watching everyone: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tempora Parsing through all that data is an unsolved problem however: https://www.zdnet.com/article/nsa-whistleblower-overwhelmed-...

They don’t need to parse all that data; simply the full take of everyone who’s ever searched for Tails, or visited the Tails website, or run Tor.

Re: Tails 3.8 is out

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Post by g0dg0d »

FreeFull wrote: post #22
g0dg0d wrote: post #20

Snowden revelations mentioned that even downloading or visiting sliaT website gets you on a list.

I do wonder how many lists I am on already.

A lot. https://boingboing.net/2014/07/03/if-you-read-boing-boing-th...

According to the story, the NSA targets anyone who searches for online articles about Tails

Re: Tails 3.8 is out

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Post by eqdw »

wpdev_63 wrote: post #2

I like to point out that if your hardware is compromise then it doesn't matter what you run on top of it. If you are being actively targeted by state actors(fbi,nsa,cia,etc) then your computer is more than likely compromised.

A lot of us _aren't_ being _actively_ targeted by Three Letter Agencies, but are concerned about being passively targetted

Re: Tails 3.8 is out

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Post by wpdev_63 »

panarky wrote: post #3
wpdev_63 wrote: post #2

I like to point out that if your hardware is compromise then it doesn't matter what you run on top of it. If you are being actively targeted by state actors(fbi,nsa,cia,etc) then your computer is more than likely compromised.

If you think the FSB is after you then you'll need better countermeasures than just running Tails on your own machine. For the rest of us, Tails and Qubes are big improvements over an HP laptop with Windows and its ecosystem of bloatware and spyware.

.... I don't know if the FSB has the technical capability but the super cyber forces do(us and china).

Re: Tails 3.8 is out

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Post by greggarious »

sneak wrote: post #25
greggarious wrote: post #15

Earlier quoted context omitted.

>Well, you just blew your cover. They're watching you now. "They're" watching everyone: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tempora Parsing through all that data is an unsolved problem however: https://www.zdnet.com/article/nsa-whistleblower-overwhelmed-...

They don’t need to parse all that data; simply the full take of everyone who’s ever searched for Tails, or visited the Tails website, or run Tor.

> They don’t need to parse all that data; simply the full take of everyone who’s ever searched for Tails, or visited the Tails website, or run Tor.

And what? Retain all their traffic til the end of days? Even if you restrict your selectors to Tor fans, that's still a massive amount of data.

Re: Tails 3.8 is out

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Post by sneak »

greggarious wrote: post #29
sneak wrote: post #25

Earlier quoted context omitted.

They don’t need to parse all that data; simply the full take of everyone who’s ever searched for Tails, or visited the Tails website, or run Tor.

> They don’t need to parse all that data; simply the full take of everyone who’s ever searched for Tails, or visited the Tails website, or run Tor. And what? Retain all their traffic til the end of days? Even if you restrict your selectors to Tor fans, that's still a massive amount of data.

It’s not a lot on the scale we’re discussing.
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