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Do Londoners dream of electric buses?

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Re: Do Londoners dream of electric buses?

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> Londoners might not dream of electric buses, … Every single cyclist dreams of electric busses, believe you me. Huffing nitrogen stationary-bus-fart oxides turns any public road here straight into an express lane to lung cancer, without even the courtesy of a nicotine rush. I laugh when people say cycling is healthy. Not in London. Nooo sir. Between the long term certainty of whatever smokers like to aim for, and th…

Keeping in mind you probably won't hear them coming.

Re: Do Londoners dream of electric buses?

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post #12

> Londoners might not dream of electric buses, … Every single cyclist dreams of electric busses, believe you me. Huffing nitrogen stationary-bus-fart oxides turns any public road here straight into an express lane to lung cancer, without even the courtesy of a nicotine rush. I laugh when people say cycling is healthy. Not in London. Nooo sir. Between the long term certainty of whatever smokers like to aim for, and th…

> I laugh when people say cycling is healthy. Not in London. Not according to this Cambridge study two years ago. They found the health benefits of cycling in London always outweighed the risks. http://www.mrc-epid.cam.ac.uk/blog/walking-cycling-air-pollu... It got quite a bit of media coverage, e.g. https://www.theguardian.com/environment/2016/may/05/benefits...

There where a lot of edge cases to those calculations. Including very short short commute times, specific locations within cities, background physical activity, traffic accidents etc.

Further, while 1% of cities may cross their air thresholds at their assumption levels those are the largest cities. So far more than 1% of the population would be worse off.

It's just the news glossed over the very real downsides mentioned in the study.

Re: Do Londoners dream of electric buses?

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Most interesting part of the article for me: > and being of considerable utility, they are remarkably undamaged. It seems that sticking chewing gum in things only applies when the vandal feels they wont personally lose out (assuming this is actually true, and not another in a long local tradition of overly rose-tinted journalistic views of our grim North Sea shithole)

So awful there are still plentiful migrants banging on the door to be let in.

Re: Do Londoners dream of electric buses?

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> Londoners might not dream of electric buses, … Every single cyclist dreams of electric busses, believe you me. Huffing nitrogen stationary-bus-fart oxides turns any public road here straight into an express lane to lung cancer, without even the courtesy of a nicotine rush. I laugh when people say cycling is healthy. Not in London. Nooo sir. Between the long term certainty of whatever smokers like to aim for, and th…

As a London pedestrian I am fully in favour of electric buses. The NoX fumes are horrible for pedestrians too. Especially when the buses are stacked one after another, idling. I seriously can’t believe the government refuses to act on the diesel disaster. Tens of thousands of people die from diesel exhaust complications per year, but they don’t care.

did anyone vote for more taxes on themselves to cover the cost?

Re: Do Londoners dream of electric buses?

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post #21

> Londoners might not dream of electric buses, … Every single cyclist dreams of electric busses, believe you me. Huffing nitrogen stationary-bus-fart oxides turns any public road here straight into an express lane to lung cancer, without even the courtesy of a nicotine rush. I laugh when people say cycling is healthy. Not in London. Nooo sir. Between the long term certainty of whatever smokers like to aim for, and th…

Keeping in mind you probably won't hear them coming.

Manufacturers of electric vehicles already are rolling out noise generators for low speeds, and it's likely those will become mandatory.

Re: Do Londoners dream of electric buses?

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> Londoners might not dream of electric buses, … Every single cyclist dreams of electric busses, believe you me. Huffing nitrogen stationary-bus-fart oxides turns any public road here straight into an express lane to lung cancer, without even the courtesy of a nicotine rush. I laugh when people say cycling is healthy. Not in London. Nooo sir. Between the long term certainty of whatever smokers like to aim for, and th…

About half of pollutants come from brakes and tyres - http://publications.jrc.ec.europa.eu/repository/bitstream/JR...

Bringing in electric buses will not decrease these pollutants. They will also not remove enough of the other half of the pollutants. The change needs to be far wider and harsher.

Re: Do Londoners dream of electric buses?

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> Londoners might not dream of electric buses, … Every single cyclist dreams of electric busses, believe you me. Huffing nitrogen stationary-bus-fart oxides turns any public road here straight into an express lane to lung cancer, without even the courtesy of a nicotine rush. I laugh when people say cycling is healthy. Not in London. Nooo sir. Between the long term certainty of whatever smokers like to aim for, and th…

About half of pollutants come from brakes and tyres - http://publications.jrc.ec.europa.eu/repository/bitstream/JR... Bringing in electric buses will not decrease these pollutants. They will also not remove enough of the other half of the pollutants. The change needs to be far wider and harsher.

well, the regenerative braking will reduce brake dust a bit. Certainly not completely, but its a start.

Re: Do Londoners dream of electric buses?

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post #24

Earlier quoted context omitted.

As a London pedestrian I am fully in favour of electric buses. The NoX fumes are horrible for pedestrians too. Especially when the buses are stacked one after another, idling. I seriously can’t believe the government refuses to act on the diesel disaster. Tens of thousands of people die from diesel exhaust complications per year, but they don’t care.

did anyone vote for more taxes on themselves to cover the cost?

Probably have to offset that with the reduction of cost to the NHS of pollution related illnesses.

Outside of TfL and absent a "diesel scrappage scheme" the cost would be born by primarily by private individuals anyway.

Re: Do Londoners dream of electric buses?

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post #24

Earlier quoted context omitted.

As a London pedestrian I am fully in favour of electric buses. The NoX fumes are horrible for pedestrians too. Especially when the buses are stacked one after another, idling. I seriously can’t believe the government refuses to act on the diesel disaster. Tens of thousands of people die from diesel exhaust complications per year, but they don’t care.

did anyone vote for more taxes on themselves to cover the cost?

How about we cover the cost from the billions of profits made by car companies selling internal combustion engines and lobbying against change?

Re: Do Londoners dream of electric buses?

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China is adding electric buses at an incredible rate. Every 5 weeks China adds a London sized fleet of electric buses: https://www.weforum.org/agenda/2018/04/china-is-adding-a-lon... https://www.curbed.com/2018/5/4/17320838/china-bus-shenzhen-...

The Curbed article states that in Shenzen half a percent of the bus fleet is still diesel, but that half percent contributes 20% of the pollution. Can't wait for more electrics.
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