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Your “high bar” is wrecking your team

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Re: Your “high bar” is wrecking your team

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post #17

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> But, don't worry your changing the world By creating a new innovative way to deliver ads to consumers.

Like it or not, economy needs ads.

Economy has functioned by word-of-mouth for millennia. Ads as an industry are relatively new (maybe 300 years).

(Sure, word-of-mouth is a form of advertisement, but OP clearly refers to the ad industry, so I'm going with that meaning.)

Re: Your “high bar” is wrecking your team

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post #10

It's good to have a high bar. But it's dumb to use someone's academic achievements alone to measure whether they meet the bar or not.

> it's dumb to use someone's academic achievements alone

I'm sure they don't - the author just seems a little touchy because he doesn't have a degree. I understand - I have a CS degree with a good GPA, but the school isn't all that impressive. I know it's cost me jobs (because they've told me). However, it's a pipe dream to think that there will ever come a time when degrees are irrelevant - unless human civilization changes a _lot_, academic credentials are going to get more important for programming work, not less, just as they are for every other field. As long as programming pays well and is the sort of work you can do sitting down in an air conditioned office while drinking coffee, it's going to attract a lot of applicants, and screeners are going to have to screen them. Love it or hate it, the easiest things a screener can look at that yield the best signal-to-noise ratio are academic pedigree and reputation of past employers. Since false positives are riskier than false negatives, they're being logical and reasonable.

Re: Your “high bar” is wrecking your team

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Good article.

I've been coding circles around and teaching Stanford CS undergrad and graduate students for years.

Feels good since I'm self taught.

I tell them I'm a 'street coder'. They're valuable to me ( the CS students ) because they help me put words to CS concepts I have built in my own mind from experience.

Nothing frustrates me more than the scenario outlined in the article. The business folks can and will always say whatever they want that suits the business. That's their thing.

As the leader of the team and domain expert, you should be able to hire whom you deem most qualified. And they biz folks can make up whatever BS they want as long as you're delivering.

That said, I am self-employed in SF. So I don't particularly have to worry about managers. Except for convincing them to hire me, without the fancy degree. Fortunately I think it filters out a lot of the pretentious companies I would not be happy to work with.

Re: Your “high bar” is wrecking your team

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post #17

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Like it or not, economy needs ads.

Economy has functioned by word-of-mouth for millennia. Ads as an industry are relatively new (maybe 300 years). (Sure, word-of-mouth is a form of advertisement, but OP clearly refers to the ad industry, so I'm going with that meaning.)

How much are you willing to pay for every advertising supported site you use?

Re: Your “high bar” is wrecking your team

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post #3

Our best devs are consistently people who don’t have CS degrees and have good creativity, patience, curiosity, and who have some code to show that isn’t buzzword-chasing nonsense.

Speaking quite selfishly to be sure: please don't make the opposite mistake by biasing against folks with CS degrees! I agree with all of the positive attributes you mention, but lots of people who studied CS also display those traits.

Re: Your “high bar” is wrecking your team

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post #3

Our best devs are consistently people who don’t have CS degrees and have good creativity, patience, curiosity, and who have some code to show that isn’t buzzword-chasing nonsense.

I mean, someone with a CS degree that has good creativity, patience and curiosity is likely to perform well too. These days, the degree gives you a common language and some foundational stuff (algorithms and data structures). 99% of the people I work with have CS degrees, but the other 1% aren't defined by their lack of a degree, they are defined by their ability to learn the language on their own time and that's valuable.

Re: Your “high bar” is wrecking your team

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I always assumed A player meant worked 60-100 hrs per week, but they expected you(not directly) to write 40-50 on your times sheet. And only paid for 30. But, don't worry your changing the world.

That seems like overly 'business' thinking. People as numbers. While necessary on some level. I've found the best performers don't work any specific number of hours, but actually employ a 'chop smarter, not harder' mentality.

Some of my best people work a 30 solid ( dense ) hour week. Those are heads down, no distraction hours. No Facebook, no podcasts, just technical design and code. I don't enforce it, they just do it on their own. As long as they deliver, I want them out of the office, into the gym, outside, whatever the fuck they want, so they don't burn out.

And I'm happy with it because they always stretch and deliver, on time. And their code is tight, thoughtful and consequently maintainable.

As for finding people who exhibit those qualities. I ask them to solve a problem and see how their mind works. If it's thorough, thinking about error handling, documentation, etc., then that's a winner. I then use their Github code to determine seniority and go from there.

Ironically those with the most hunger and passion to learn and excel did not go to top-tier schools. It doesn't take much to figure out why.

Re: Your “high bar” is wrecking your team

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

Economy has functioned by word-of-mouth for millennia. Ads as an industry are relatively new (maybe 300 years). (Sure, word-of-mouth is a form of advertisement, but OP clearly refers to the ad industry, so I'm going with that meaning.)

How much are you willing to pay for every advertising supported site you use?

Apparently there was a study related to this this recently.

http://timharford.com/2018/05/how-much-would-i-have-to-pay-y...

Re: Your “high bar” is wrecking your team

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post #7

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Beware of casting a float to a boolean. Yes, every group of humans has some degree of toxic competition and hierarchy, but some much more than others. It makes sense to look at the ones that have less, and ask what they are doing right and how to emulate it.

> Beware of casting a float to a boolean That is a great expression and I'm stealing it! Sometimes it feels like most of my life is spent trying to teach others to cast booleans to floats. :)

Thanks! Credit where it's due: I got it from a post here a while back, though I forget who wrote it or what the thread topic was.

Re: Your “high bar” is wrecking your team

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post #3

Our best devs are consistently people who don’t have CS degrees and have good creativity, patience, curiosity, and who have some code to show that isn’t buzzword-chasing nonsense.

Another engineer at my company and I realized that most absurdly good engineers we know have art backgrounds (or just consider themselves artistic / creative). Our theory is that artists are used to working with the limitations of their medium and enjoying the challenge.

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