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I think most people voting / commenting are not actually able to read the article due to paywall. Adding the text so discussion is more substantial. @HN not sure if this goes against any rules, my feelings won't be hurt if the below is removed.

Cast your eyes down the list of the world’s most valuable private technology companies and you might be put in mind of the 2008 Beijing Olympics. That’s when China ran away with most of the gold medals — even though the west focused on the accomplishments of the US swimmer Michael Phelps. The same trend is evident in the list of technology “unicorns” worth $1bn or more. Uber, Airbnb and SpaceX may be hogging the limelight, but the undisputed gold medal leaders are the Chinese.

All lists of private companies contain degrees of subjectivity and error, but the Wikipedia ranking of unicorn start-ups by value offers a peek into the future. For westerners, it should be disconcerting. Of the top 50 entries, 26 are Chinese and 16 are American. There are none from Europe. The Chinese also dominate the proportion of the most valuable of these companies. Of the top 20 with an estimated market value of over $10bn, 11 are Chinese, six are American and two are Indian. ​​

Topping the list with an estimated value of $150bn is Ant Financial, the financial services spin off from Alibaba. Its value rests on the opportunities investors believe lie ahead in China and, increasingly, in south-east Asia.

Many California-based technology investment bankers — eager to haul in trophy initial public offerings — are now romancing more companies in China than at home. Smartphone maker Xiaomi has already filed to float in Hong Kong, which must be disquieting for the US exchanges. Ride-hailing app Didi Chuxing and Meituan are among the bankers’ other targets.

The growth rates of leading public technology companies underline the same trends. For the year ending March 2018, the top five US companies grew at a 26 per cent median clip, while the top five Chinese entities jumped 33 per cent.

The US companies are generally larger, but Chinese companies are narrowing the gap. As 2016 dawned, the top five Chinese companies were worth one-quarter of their US counterparts. By the end of March 2018 this had risen to one-third. Right now, Facebook, the fifth most valuable US tech group, is just ahead of Alibaba, with Tencent not far behind. No wonder that Chinese youngsters looking for role models evoke the names of Jack Ma, Pony Ma, Lei Jun (founders of Alibaba, Tencent and Xiaomi) more than they do Amazon’s Jeff Bezos, Facebook’s Mark Zuckerberg, or the late Steve Jobs of Apple.

Chinese internet companies also stand out because they are purchasing stakes in many of the more interesting, younger private technology companies. It is somewhat akin to real estate companies snapping up the best beach-front property.

Most Chinese activity is outside the US, with Tencent and Alibaba building vast constellations of satellites. Tencent has more than 600 investments, while Alibaba has around 400 — totals that almost make Japan’s SoftBank look like a penny-pinching slowpoke.

Critics of this approach may gripe that it is undisciplined, but the admirers argue that these investments are somewhat akin to Chinese premier Xi Jinping’s ambitious and far-reaching Belt and Road Initiative. The only US company that comes close is Google, which since the start of 2017 has made more than 100 investments, although they are heavily concentrated in the US. It has also purchased more than 80 companies outright since 2014.

Another transpacific difference involves the use of cash. Between 2015 and 2017, the five biggest US tech groups (especially Apple and Microsoft) spent $228bn on stock buybacks and dividends, Bloomberg data shows. During the same period, the top five Chinese tech companies spent just $10.7bn and ploughed the rest of their excess cash into investments that broaden their footprint and influence.

It’s hard to escape the view that the Chinese groups are — like all of us — creatures of their heritage. They are using their investments as one way to help fulfil the ancient Chinese definition of the Middle Kingdom — as the centre around which all else revolves.

The writer is a partner of Sequoia Capital. The views expressed are his own and he may own shares in companies mentioned

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Interesting article by Michael Moritz of Sequoia Capital. China is taking the lead. “All lists of private companies contain degrees of subjectivity and error, but the Wikipedia ranking of unicorn start-ups by value offers a peek into the future. For westerners, it should be disconcerting. Of the top 50 entries, 26 are Chinese and 16 are American. There are none from Europe. The Chinese also dominate the proportion of…

Per capita this doesn't seem as terrible. Is that the wrong way to look at this? China has ~1.38 billion people USA- ~326 million

Yeah but I guess what is remarkable is the trajectory from 1990 to 2018

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Interesting article by Michael Moritz of Sequoia Capital. China is taking the lead. “All lists of private companies contain degrees of subjectivity and error, but the Wikipedia ranking of unicorn start-ups by value offers a peek into the future. For westerners, it should be disconcerting. Of the top 50 entries, 26 are Chinese and 16 are American. There are none from Europe. The Chinese also dominate the proportion of…

Europe needs to build its own tech ecosystem instead of being a resource hub and market for US companies. There were some sense in the French driving Peugeot, the Germans VW and the Americans Ford, instead of all driving a generic car from a distant silicon valley company far away from local market and value chain.

I don’t really understand how Europe has struggled so much. Is it due to a lack of investors? Brain drain or some comparative lack of talent (I doubt it)? Regulations (also doubt it)? Cultural differences? Difficult domestic market?

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TFA is blocked. Does it talk about protectionism, cronyism, poor IP enforcement, restrictions on foreign media and communication companies, or forced technology transfer from foreign firms as a condition of doing business in China? These aren't the only factors behind China's rise as a tech superpower, but without them China wouldn't be where it is today.

So like most other countries that are now pointing their fingers? http://theconversation.com/trumps-protectionism-continues-lo... http://foreignpolicy.com/2012/12/06/we-were-pirates-too/ http://www.spiegel.de/international/zeitgeist/no-copyright-l...

Do these other countries continue to enjoy WTO Developing Nation Status, which enables a lot of the unfair advantages China enjoys as pointed out by the grandparent comment?

https://www.wto.org/english/tratop_e/devel_e/dev_special_dif...

Pointing out the historic cheating of now first world countries is fair if questionably relevant, pointing out Donald Trump's raising of tariffs as hypocrisy (I assume) is down right silly, especially in the context of this conversation.

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This is propaganda. China is mostly an uneducated factory nation who will be crushed by automation. Articles like this are great for clicks on a website. Edit: which Chinese tech companies are actually dominant? All of them are copies of American tech companies propped up by their government. Where is the market penetration into the USA? Where is the competition? There is none.

>This is propaganda. China is mostly an uneducated factory nation who will be crushed by automation

LOL.

First, that's the same argument they were making back in the day for Japan (the "uneducated factory nation", the "copy cats", the "cheap knockoffs" etc). Funny how that turned out.

Second, labor costs are not the relevant factor, so automation wont matter much to bring factory jobs back. It's all about the supply chain:

http://www.businessinsider.com/you-simply-must-read-this-art...

https://www.economist.com/free-exchange/2012/01/23/apple-and...

Not to mention that Chinese factories can and will also invest in automation.

Third, "uneducated factory nation"? Where does one get that information from, the John Birch Society Bulletin?

https://www.theguardian.com/science/2018/feb/18/china-great-...

http://bruegel.org/2017/08/china-is-the-worlds-new-science-a...

Oh, and as sibling says: "the latest PISA findings from 2015 would have China scoring higher than the US on math (10th vs. 25th) and science (6th vs. 40th), but slightly lower than the US on reading (27th vs. 24th)."

It's easy to make fun of previously underdeveloped nations that started from an uneducated and less advance point 30 and 60 years ago, but the problem is that they can catch up (like Japan and South Korea, an insignificant economic wasteland after WWII, did). Especially if their rivals are on the decline themselves. Rome didn't last forever.

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Per capita this doesn't seem as terrible. Is that the wrong way to look at this? China has ~1.38 billion people USA- ~326 million

Yeah but I guess what is remarkable is the trajectory from 1990 to 2018

It's been a very predictable trajectory. I recall reading in the mid 90s, as a high school student an op-ed that anticipated China's GDP to exceed America's sometime in the early 2020s. They're right on course to do that.

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I know this article is more about tech companies, but China is winning everywhere. They have started a very ambitious OBOR to connect Europe, Africa and Asia. The Chinese investments in Europe is just mind boggling [0] and the infrastructure projects by the Chinese Govt are spread across the whole Asia, Africa and Europe.

Unlike the USA which offers support and aid by offering money to other countries, the Chinese loan tons of money to build infrastructure and it is so much that the small countries will not be able to pay and literally submit to the Chinese. [1]

[0] - https://www.bloomberg.com/graphics/2018-china-business-in-eu... [1] - https://www.nytimes.com/2017/12/12/world/asia/sri-lanka-chin...

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

Europe needs to build its own tech ecosystem instead of being a resource hub and market for US companies. There were some sense in the French driving Peugeot, the Germans VW and the Americans Ford, instead of all driving a generic car from a distant silicon valley company far away from local market and value chain.

I don’t really understand how Europe has struggled so much. Is it due to a lack of investors? Brain drain or some comparative lack of talent (I doubt it)? Regulations (also doubt it)? Cultural differences? Difficult domestic market?

Fractured market for sure, but also cultural differences (mentality).

What's standard bread&butter hustling in US is considered cringe-worthy BS in Europe.

While the music plays, there's no way business conservatism and sticking to "fundamentals" can compete with SV unicorns.

Re: China is winning the global tech race

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

Europe needs to build its own tech ecosystem instead of being a resource hub and market for US companies. There were some sense in the French driving Peugeot, the Germans VW and the Americans Ford, instead of all driving a generic car from a distant silicon valley company far away from local market and value chain.

I don’t really understand how Europe has struggled so much. Is it due to a lack of investors? Brain drain or some comparative lack of talent (I doubt it)? Regulations (also doubt it)? Cultural differences? Difficult domestic market?

Probably a combination of all three. The US and China have the benefit of a comparatively gargantuan native population that all speak the same language and enjoy similar tasting kool-aid that you can immediately market to. A business in SF can reach people NYC, Florida, etc. Combine that with somewhat lax customer rights laws (however you may view it), and you have recipes for some explosive growth.

I've also heard that European investors are notoriously conservative in their strategies and don't take the risks that the US does. Japan is also faltering in this department for that reason. Without the pools of money to draw from, if you cannot gamble then you cannot win, essentially.

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