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Re: Twitter meets TensorFlow

#21

Post by xnxn »

pteredactyl wrote: post #8
mindcrime wrote: post #7

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Just to play Devil's advocate: One that wants to manipulate your mind Like your post here? Or my present reply to it? And so on... one that echochambers your discovery Which is good, because nobody has enough time in the day to process every conceivable byte of information they might stumble across... one that censors arbitrarily OK, because while everyone may have the right to speak freely, not all speech needs to b…

The idea is I have a timeline and am able to choose what's on it. Good, bad, ugly. It's up to me. If I don't like what someone's saying I unfollow, mute or block. Easy. With Twitter, FB, and modern social media, they let their algorithm decide what I should see. They think they know what people want and ultimately what's best for me. I disagree with this so I opt-out of their services. Sadly. Because there are ( or w…

> Easy.

If you're spectating, maybe. Completely falls apart when you try to engage in dialogue on Twitter, which is what both Twitter, Inc. and I want.

Say I follow someone because I like what they say. And I want to discuss what they're saying, or to explore existing discussions. I'm going into this ready to have a thoughtful debate or two.

So I open the replies, and they're what I consider to be garbage: flamewars, reaction GIFs, propaganda, straight-up bad-faith trolling, and worse. But maybe there's some good in here somewhere?

Assume I'm a typical human with emotions and stuff. Do I:

A) Immediately close the thread! It's not worth it, and I have the ability and willpower to bow out.

B) Scroll through the replies, muting and blocking people. Maybe if I do this enough I'll have a nicer experience on the next thread I open. Wow there sure are a lot of these folks!

C) Take the bait. Someone is wrong on the internet.

You know already, but I'll tell you anyway. I, typical human, tend to rush headlong into option C), which wastes my time, makes me unhappy, and gives me a negative perception of the quality of discussions on Twitter. Twitter, Inc. doesn't want that either, but they've picked these replies to show me. Clearly they don't know what kind of thing I think is garbage. So what can they do?

It's not easy.

Re: Twitter meets TensorFlow

#22

Post by mastazi »

> given the migration of the Torch community from Lua to Python via PyTorch, and subsequent waning support for Lua Torch, Cortex began evaluating alternatives to Lua Torch

I'm a bit out of the loop, has PyTorch really become so much more popular than Lua Torch, in the short time span since it launched? And is it true that most of the original Lua Torch community switched to PyTorch?

Re: Twitter meets TensorFlow

#23

Post by burkaman »

bthrm wrote: post #18
dirkgently wrote: post #16

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Do you remember hiw bad YouTube comments have been? And it's significantly better lately? That happened due to ML. Not everyone is out there to use ML for nefarious purpose. And there are multiple use cases for ML.

How are yt comments any better now?

They are now mostly real people organically being morons, as opposed to mostly bots spamming other channels and a bunch of stick figure chain mail.

Re: Twitter meets TensorFlow

#24

Post by Eridrus »

mastazi wrote: post #22

> given the migration of the Torch community from Lua to Python via PyTorch, and subsequent waning support for Lua Torch, Cortex began evaluating alternatives to Lua Torch I'm a bit out of the loop, has PyTorch really become so much more popular than Lua Torch, in the short time span since it launched? And is it true that most of the original Lua Torch community switched to PyTorch?

PyTorch is rivaling TensorFlow in popularity now. Lua Torch is basically dead.

Re: Twitter meets TensorFlow

#25

Post by mastazi »

Eridrus wrote: post #24
mastazi wrote: post #22

> given the migration of the Torch community from Lua to Python via PyTorch, and subsequent waning support for Lua Torch, Cortex began evaluating alternatives to Lua Torch I'm a bit out of the loop, has PyTorch really become so much more popular than Lua Torch, in the short time span since it launched? And is it true that most of the original Lua Torch community switched to PyTorch?

PyTorch is rivaling TensorFlow in popularity now. Lua Torch is basically dead.

Thanks, I saw many articles about PyTorch lately, but didn't realise that most people had switched for good.

Re: Twitter meets TensorFlow

#26

Post by bitmapbrother »

bthrm wrote: post #18
dirkgently wrote: post #16

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Do you remember hiw bad YouTube comments have been? And it's significantly better lately? That happened due to ML. Not everyone is out there to use ML for nefarious purpose. And there are multiple use cases for ML.

How are yt comments any better now?

In addition to ML a lot of people are reporting offensive comments. If you care about your account then you should perhaps think twice.

Re: Twitter meets TensorFlow

#27

Post by dominotw »

dirkgently wrote: post #16
llao wrote: post #2

> Machine learning enables Twitter to drive engagement, surface content most relevant to our users, and promote healthier conversations. One that wants to manipulate your mind, one that echochambers your discovery, one that censors arbitrarily.

Do you remember hiw bad YouTube comments have been? And it's significantly better lately? That happened due to ML. Not everyone is out there to use ML for nefarious purpose. And there are multiple use cases for ML.

oh wow you are right. I actually participate in youtube comments now, i used to completely ignore them. Thats a beautiful example of ML.

Re: Twitter meets TensorFlow

#28

Post by pteredactyl »

xnxn wrote: post #21
pteredactyl wrote: post #8

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The idea is I have a timeline and am able to choose what's on it. Good, bad, ugly. It's up to me. If I don't like what someone's saying I unfollow, mute or block. Easy. With Twitter, FB, and modern social media, they let their algorithm decide what I should see. They think they know what people want and ultimately what's best for me. I disagree with this so I opt-out of their services. Sadly. Because there are ( or w…

> Easy. If you're spectating, maybe. Completely falls apart when you try to engage in dialogue on Twitter, which is what both Twitter, Inc. and I want. Say I follow someone because I like what they say. And I want to discuss what they're saying, or to explore existing discussions. I'm going into this ready to have a thoughtful debate or two. So I open the replies, and they're what I consider to be garbage: flamewars,…

Replies with the most upvotes are at the top. That generally filters out the BS. There is a date posted versus upvote count balance that needs to be reached, but ML is not required.

And this all assumes you're trying to have conversation around someone with many many followers. If you're in a small circle, none of your argument applies.

Further posts by the original poster are at the top too.

Yes, you may have to filter through some posts on your own. If you plan on having a conversation with Obama, good luck. And for good reason.

But I don't want Twitter Inc filtering for me. Essentially upvoting and downvoting comments based on their algorithm. Sorry.

At least give users the choice to use their ML algorithm or not. I'd even pay to have it turned off or to tweak how I see my timeline.

So I don't follow.

Re: Twitter meets TensorFlow

#29

Post by partiallypro »

llao wrote: post #2

> Machine learning enables Twitter to drive engagement, surface content most relevant to our users, and promote healthier conversations. One that wants to manipulate your mind, one that echochambers your discovery, one that censors arbitrarily.

If Twitter ever moves to a fully algorithmic timeline like Instagram (has annoying done), it will shrivel up and die. The linear timeline of Twitter is what makes Twitter....Twitter. I've noticed a lot lately that more and more I see tweets out of order because of the algorithms. I believe you can turn that off, but sometimes those are useful...but more often they are spam in the moment, especially if a big story has broken. I feel like it used to only occur when you first opened up Twitter, you'd see old highlights...now it feels like it's intertwined more...it's very annoying. Twitter is, by far, the most powerful and useful social media platform out there for information...I sure hope they aren't going to strangle it to death.
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