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Macedonia Agrees to Change Its Name to End Bitter Dispute with Greece

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Re: Macedonia Agrees to Change Its Name to End Bitter Dispute with Greece

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Instead of Maine, you can find a better analogy at the opposite end of the United States. There’s a Mexican state named Baja California and a US state named simply California. Exact same thing as this Macedonia business.

I think this analogy shows that names don't really matter: military superiority does.

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Re: Macedonia Agrees to Change Its Name to End Bitter Dispute with Greece

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This is pay-walled, but here's a summary: The country we now call "Macedonia" (i.e. The Republic of Macedonia) was formed in 1991 after Yugoslavia broke up. Greece didn't like the name, because "Macedonia" was already the name of a large region in Northern Greece. This would be similar to a region of Quebec bordering the US breaking away from Canada and calling itself Maine. Some Greeks apparently felt that the Repub…

Instead of Maine, you can find a better analogy at the opposite end of the United States. There’s a Mexican state named Baja California and a US state named simply California. Exact same thing as this Macedonia business.

Not really correct. The peninsula consists of two Mexican states: Baja California Sur, and Baja California Norte. The United States dropped the "Alta" from Alta California after the process of defeating Mexico. I consider us all Californians, though, despite the political boundaries.

Re: Macedonia Agrees to Change Its Name to End Bitter Dispute with Greece

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Should Massachusetts change its name because the Massachusett people are not an ethnic majority there? Just like US states, most European borders are not drawn according to ethnic groups, and their names are similarly historical rather than descriptive. The nation state is a 19th century fantasy.

Are there three other "Massachusetts"-named states bordering the current Massachusetts? [edit] Maine is not called "North Massachusetts". As for your belief that European borders are unrelated to ethnic/cultural distinctions, do you know much about Europe? [edit: blocked from replying] Were there truly no pre-19th century differences between the peoples and cultures in Finland, Norway, Sweden, and Russia? and no-pre…

There’s a Luxembourg province in Belgium, right next to the country Luxembourg. Nobody gives a damn.

Re: Macedonia Agrees to Change Its Name to End Bitter Dispute with Greece

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Instead of Maine, you can find a better analogy at the opposite end of the United States. There’s a Mexican state named Baja California and a US state named simply California. Exact same thing as this Macedonia business.

Except the "Baja" in this case (or its lack in the USA) is like the compromise, "North" Macedonia. The situations would be more analogous if the Mexican state were called simply "California" or the US state were called "Baja California."

In both cases, the bigger and more powerful side got to keep the plain name and the other side had to settle for a geographic prefix.

Re: Macedonia Agrees to Change Its Name to End Bitter Dispute with Greece

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Naming themselves "North Macedonia" kind of implies that they are strongly connected to the other three Macedonia (administrative) regions of Greece (Western, Central, Eastern). The reason they're not going to join Greece is that there are no ethnic Greeks there, so why not call themselves Slav Macedonia instead? [added after downvotes] what is wrong with asking why "North" is the chosen distinction? it seems that th…

I can only guess because around a quarter of the population is Albanian, and they currently (and probably will also in the future) constitute the parliamentary majority. The Albanian population is currently in a surge, and Albanians don't really like to be mixed up with Slavs...

The Albanian minority does absolutely not have a majority in the North Macedonian parliament. Being a tiny minority party across changing ruling coalitions does not mean they "constitute a majority".

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Macedonian_parliamentary_elect...

Re: Macedonia Agrees to Change Its Name to End Bitter Dispute with Greece

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I have been to Northern Greece. I have friends from Macedonia. This is the stupidest international dispute I think our reality can support.

Oh, my sweet summer child. Your innocence is so beautiful.

Never underestimate the degree of stupidity our reality can support.

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Instead of Maine, you can find a better analogy at the opposite end of the United States. There’s a Mexican state named Baja California and a US state named simply California. Exact same thing as this Macedonia business.

Not really correct. The peninsula consists of two Mexican states: Baja California Sur, and Baja California Norte. The United States dropped the "Alta" from Alta California after the process of defeating Mexico. I consider us all Californians, though, despite the political boundaries.

Maybe the previously-Alta California should follow the Mexican example and split into separate north and south states? That would fix issues with federal political representation, at least.

Re: Macedonia Agrees to Change Its Name to End Bitter Dispute with Greece

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Instead of Maine, you can find a better analogy at the opposite end of the United States. There’s a Mexican state named Baja California and a US state named simply California. Exact same thing as this Macedonia business.

There’s also a state north of Mexico called New Mexico.

That state was named in the 1500s by Spanish explorers. If it was a political name at all, it was probably in reference to Aztlan and Mexican politics.
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