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Ask HN: After almost 30 years the romance is over - What now?

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Re: Ask HN: After almost 30 years the romance is over - What now?

#21
Try to think of how computers and software could make things better and work on that. I don't mean how they could look cooler or play games faster, but how they could help social progress or enable revolution or democracy in the third world or how they could pull people out of poverty and death.

Re: Ask HN: After almost 30 years the romance is over - What now?

#22
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"The Open Source revolution seems to be over" http://github.com

> The Open Source revolution seems to be over; [...] And it seems that the children of the revolution turned the gold to chrome, scrambling to squeeze a buck out of anything a buck can be squeezed out of. Instead of the free sharing of ideas I grew up with, I'm encountering more and more the attitude of a guarded sharing of general topics, but the real knowledge and experience seems to be held back because it has to be regarded as a personal asset that might be used to turn a profit somewhere.

Too true. Some of the newer "open source" projects seem to be run by suits posing as geeks, where the source is open, eventually, but nothing else.

Re: Ask HN: After almost 30 years the romance is over - What now?

#23
These 2 phrases:

"Instead of the free sharing of ideas...I'm encountering more and more the attitude of a guarded sharing...the real knowledge and experience seems to be held back because it...might be used to turn a profit somewhere"

and

"Todays big topics leave me pretty much unenthused"

I hear a lack of motivation, not for technology, but for the specific purposes to which technology is being put- squeezing a buck out of things.

But you're mistaking the impact that incentive structure has on your motivation for a lack of motivation about the technology itself. It doesn't work that way.

I suggest finding a way to spend time with organizations that have a different incentive structure. Find someone you know and talk to them about how they use technology. It wasn't entirely deliberate, but looking back, I can say I found a way forward when I started working with non-profits and helping at schools.

It takes a little while, but being around people who have a non-financial mission, and then being able to deploy what are still in those areas incredibly useful and rare technical skills- this feeds the motivation engine.

Making money is really important, and it's very visible; the context in which the work happens is invisible, but it's even more important.

So- it may take some time and thinking, but I would advise- stop thinking about the details of the sausage. Server side, client side, mobile, whatever- it's all just sausage.

Think about purpose and incentive structures.

The note you wrote is evidence that this matters to you, and that, like a vitamin deficiency, you're missing the motivation that comes from a different sort of incentive structure.

I would also respectfully disagree about the open source revolution being over. For technical, social, economic reasons, looking at the trend lines, it is very far from over. Open source, free software- this lives in and feeds an ecosystem that is not about making a buck, and there are healthy and growing areas in which these incentives are dominant. That OSS and FS can be consumed by other ecosystems- that's fine, the world as a whole is healthier when you have a balance of both. This is precisely why FS licenses are written as they are- the act of creating a tool to a certain degree has to be agnostic about the uses to which the tool will be put. But OSS and FS are still growing, and gifts are everywhere being created.

Good luck.

Re: Ask HN: After almost 30 years the romance is over - What now?

#25

There are several big things you didn't mention, AI and neural networks, for example. You could also try robotics and engineering stuff (watching how a piece of silicon and metal becomes alive is priceless).

This is good advice, the problem is that you are suffering burn out. !0 years sounds about right. You need to get back to your roots and one way I recommend to do it, is to get into embedded. It gets you back into a small reward loop where little things net positive feedback. The other thing that I recommend to people is get closer to a research discipline. If you are really that burnt out, try applying your trade to a secondary science that you are interested in, chemistry, Bio-Engineering, astronomy something like that. There are a lot of cool projects that need help with code.

Re: Ask HN: After almost 30 years the romance is over - What now?

#26
I've been doing this for 30 years and I'm more jazzed than ever.

Wanna know the biggest difference between you and me? I'm pulled. You're pushed. Let me explain...

I love building stuff. Nothing gives me a bigger rush than getting something working the first time (well almost nothing). But I couldn't care less about the technology. If an abacus, two tin cans on a string, or some BASIC code on a Kaypro II did the job, then that's what I'd use.

What I really care about is how my software is used. And who uses it. There's an endless stream of people who need stuff and an endless stream of problems to solve. For individuals, groups, and businesses. When I encounter a new problem to work on, I use whatever I can apply in my tool box. Sure, I have to upgrade that tool box every so often because I need more to solve my problems, not because I love the toys so much.

You sound like the opposite. You love the toys and look for places to use them.

My suggestion: Take a break from the technology and put yourself in more situations where people can share their problems. This will give real human meaning to the technology. I bet you'll be chomping at the bit to build something for someone in no time. For me, being pulled by a demand motivates much better than being pushed by a supply. Maybe it can be for you too.

Re: Ask HN: After almost 30 years the romance is over - What now?

#27
Empower the non-technicals. Help students and researchers in medicine, law, humanities, communication and the arts make better use of technology.

There are boatloads of abandonware tools and libraries that real people depend on for their research, work and livelihood. I am talking about things as varied as sensor data capture software running on MS-DOS, to high-schools that have one PC for every 100 students. There are opportunities everywhere, look around and give someone light.

Re: Ask HN: After almost 30 years the romance is over - What now?

#28
I'm nearly a decade younger than you, so take this for what it's worth.

You said when you were young, you were fascinated by computers and learned everything about them. Try to imagine again what it is like to be young. What would fascinate you if you were growing up right now? Maybe it's not even computers. Maybe this really is the end of that rabbit hole for you, who knows. Is that such a bad thing?

Try getting out of your comfort zone, too. Join a sports club, go on a long trip, meet new people, pick up a hobby. You may feel that way, put you're not stuck by any means. You can do whatever you want now. How liberating! You can reevaluate what you want from life and set sails once again.

I've been in software since I can remember. I'm super enthused by the opportunities I see right now. Yet, I hope that one day I will get to do something entirely different. I think life is too precious to do just one thing.

Oh, and another thing: If you don't like the social web, skip right to the object web. Why can people understand that tables are MADE of wood, HAVE four legs, are MADE in China, which IS a Country REPRESENTED by a Flag that LOOKS red, which IS a color that IS ... and so on ... and computers can't understand that? How can we teach them? That's my current favorite fad ;)

Re: Ask HN: After almost 30 years the romance is over - What now?

#29
post #22
post #7

"The Open Source revolution seems to be over" http://github.com

> The Open Source revolution seems to be over; [...] And it seems that the children of the revolution turned the gold to chrome, scrambling to squeeze a buck out of anything a buck can be squeezed out of. Instead of the free sharing of ideas I grew up with, I'm encountering more and more the attitude of a guarded sharing of general topics, but the real knowledge and experience seems to be held back because it has to…

"everything" isn't going to be free until everything is free. It's not fair to expect people to just freely give away software for nothing in return when the rest of society doesn't work like that. People say "oh but you can just use the credibility of your free software to get a higher paying job". Great, so I'm back in a cubicle. I'd rather be writing software I'm interested in.

There was actually nothing new learned in free software from a capitalist point of view. "Loss leader", thin and thick margins, it's all been covered before.

Re: Ask HN: After almost 30 years the romance is over - What now?

#30

Teach?

I completely agree with this... Your excitement will be renewed 10 fold by the excitement you see when tutoring the next generation of nerds. Nothing beats seeing the lightbulb flip on when an 8 year old "gets" binary math or writes their first program under your guidance. Nothing.
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