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Re: Exodus from GitHub, but just not to SourceForge

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Post by new_guy »

optimuspaul wrote: post #15
some_account wrote: post #12

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Please tell me you are trolling people. You can't seriously believe what you are writing here. Microsoft is an ugly company with ugly business practices and they are absolutely not trying to save anybody.

Have you been paying attention to Microsoft over the past few years? They have an ugly past, but they are a different company now. I actually think this is a good thing for the community. I for one am sticking with GitHub.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Embrace,_extend,_and_extinguis...

Those who forget the past are condemned to repeat it - George Santayana

Microsoft lost all goodwill a long time ago, and they'll never get it back.

Re: Exodus from GitHub, but just not to SourceForge

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Post by yodon »

This exodus is precisely why Microsoft bought github, and why Microsoft built VS Code, and why it is open sourcing .NET Core and why it is shipping Linux integration into Windows and all the other huge moves the company is making.

They recognize they lost the hearts and minds of developers. They are fixing that. Not fixed. Fixing. It’ll take the better part of a decade and some people will never change.

Five years ago no one would have expected Microsoft to ship an amazing editor on Linux and OSX. Its great to have such an amazing development team once again actively believing “developers, developers, developers” is the key to success. I can’t wait to see what they do with GitHub as they work to regain relevance and interest.

Re: Exodus from GitHub, but just not to SourceForge

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Post by EnFinlay »

optimuspaul wrote: post #15
some_account wrote: post #12

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Please tell me you are trolling people. You can't seriously believe what you are writing here. Microsoft is an ugly company with ugly business practices and they are absolutely not trying to save anybody.

Have you been paying attention to Microsoft over the past few years? They have an ugly past, but they are a different company now. I actually think this is a good thing for the community. I for one am sticking with GitHub.

If people choose to judge them by a different time scale than you, their conclusions seem pretty justified.

Re: Exodus from GitHub, but just not to SourceForge

#24

Post by lalos »

alexeiz wrote: post #14
lalos wrote: post #3

I don't understand why the people have this huge team mentality. If this team does that, it wrong, if another does it it is ok. Google cancelled Google Code with no backlash, or at least not to this level. Microsoft is trying to save a vital company in the open source community that didn't even have a CEO or any path to profitability and people react like they are going to ban all projects that are not C#. Not only i…

> Microsoft is trying to save a vital company... So Microsoft is in the "company saving" business now? This couldn't be farther from the truth. They bought Github not to save it, but to use it as a resource for whatever goals they deem appropriate. And I really doubt Microsoft's goals align with open source well.

https://www.investopedia.com/terms/g/goodwill.asp

Either goodwill, a cheap deal since they were about to fold, gain trust for people to use Azure Linux or Azure open source platform, etc. I have no idea, but goodwill is an option.

Re: Exodus from GitHub, but just not to SourceForge

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Post by TheChaplain »

craftyguy wrote: post #13
superflyguy wrote: post #4

I don't think a single person is considering moving from GitHub to Sourceforge.

No kidding. Sourceforge is the future of github, in the best case. Ads everywhere, binay spyware injected into your projects, etc.

You are talking about the old Sourceforge, since their recent acquisition they've done a great deal to clean up their act.

Re: Exodus from GitHub, but just not to SourceForge

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Post by mort96 »

loganabbott wrote: post #10

Almost nothing in this article is accurate. We’ve been doing everything we can to improve SourceForge and we did not hide anything. The writer has an axe to grind for some reason, and maybe his anger is warranted, but it's definitely directed at the wrong people. https://sourceforge.net/blog/introducing-the-new-sourceforge...

I'm actually very genuinely curious: Why did you take over SourceForge and keep its extremely tainted brand, instead of starting something new? Usually, when someone buys a brand, they're doing it because there's some value attached to it, but for me at least, it'll take a lot more for me to try out SourceForge than a service with a completely fresh brand I haven't heard about before.

Re: Exodus from GitHub, but just not to SourceForge

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Post by lalos »

some_account wrote: post #12
lalos wrote: post #3

I don't understand why the people have this huge team mentality. If this team does that, it wrong, if another does it it is ok. Google cancelled Google Code with no backlash, or at least not to this level. Microsoft is trying to save a vital company in the open source community that didn't even have a CEO or any path to profitability and people react like they are going to ban all projects that are not C#. Not only i…

Please tell me you are trolling people. You can't seriously believe what you are writing here. Microsoft is an ugly company with ugly business practices and they are absolutely not trying to save anybody.

I want people to judge by themselves. You can argue that yes, they have made some mistakes and probably bad practices like all companies. Try to get out of the tech bubble, companies in the world run on Excel. That alone has a huge impact on society. Not everything is black and white. I'm just a fan of critical thinking and not herd mentality not of Microsoft. I'm criticizing the reaction of all this.

Re: Exodus from GitHub, but just not to SourceForge

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Post by mort96 »

TheChaplain wrote: post #25
craftyguy wrote: post #13

Earlier quoted context omitted.

No kidding. Sourceforge is the future of github, in the best case. Ads everywhere, binay spyware injected into your projects, etc.

You are talking about the old Sourceforge, since their recent acquisition they've done a great deal to clean up their act.

Even though you're (probably) right regarding those criticisms, it's representative of how people view SourceForge, and serves to show that

> I don't think a single person is considering moving from GitHub to Sourceforge.

is true.

Re: Exodus from GitHub, but just not to SourceForge

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Post by lgl »

nimbius wrote: post #2

even if the peanut gallery is still out on whether this is a 'smart move' from microsoft or not, the point in the article is real. Sourceforge and Gitlab are both having serious issues keeping pace with the number of users moving their projects. gitlabs grafana instances are all but completely unresponsive as of this post. Timeouts and such from the web UI were rampant as of 0700am PST but they seem to be under contr…

the worst decision Microsoft has made since they hoovered up Minecraft for six billion dollars only to be left to watch PUBG and fortnight run miles past it

How is Minecraft in the same bucket as PUBG or Fortnite? Also, Microsoft bought Minecraft some 3 years before PUBG even launched. It has sold about 144 million copies and has 75 million monthly users. It's the second best-selling video game of all time behind Tetris. How is that a "worst decision"?

Re: Exodus from GitHub, but just not to SourceForge

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Post by EthanHeilman »

mkirklions wrote: post #19
loganabbott wrote: post #10

Almost nothing in this article is accurate. We’ve been doing everything we can to improve SourceForge and we did not hide anything. The writer has an axe to grind for some reason, and maybe his anger is warranted, but it's definitely directed at the wrong people. https://sourceforge.net/blog/introducing-the-new-sourceforge...

>Removed bundled adware from projects Too late, already lost my trust. This was unexcusable to let happen years ago and was one of the scummiest things I experienced in the software world. I havent used sourceforge in years and have gone out of my way to avoid it. They cannot be trusted.

They need to rebrand. Saying "download my new project from sourceforge" is an easy way to get cheap laughs from developers. I'm not saying this to dunk on sourceforge, but to make a point that the brand has so much ill will, broken trust and baggage associated with it that the first step should be a rename.
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