I am not who you think I am • Hacker News Board

Re: I am not who you think I am

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Post by Panoramix » Thu, Sep 23, 2010, 10:21 PM UTC

swombat wrote: post #2

Whilst I agree with some of the sentiment of your post (we all have public personas), I don't think this calls for a banning at all - not even a light slap on the wrist. If you have a public persona, then it's certainly fair game for others to criticise it. Seriously, what do you think this is, kindergarten? This is the real world. If you don't want to receive undesired advice or criticism, don't be a public figure.

No, not kindergarten. This is supposed to be a nice forum. A creepy, misinformed, and ultimately empty article does not belong here. Patio11 has chosen to reveal some personal information in order to help fellow hackers. This is certainly not the way to pay him, nor the way to encourage future helpful behavior from HN users - which is, to my understanding, the ultimate goal of this forum.

Re: I am not who you think I am

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Post by nkurz » Thu, Sep 23, 2010, 10:21 PM UTC

I disagree. While it might have been just as good an article if it adopted a polite veneer of fiction, I thought it brought up a lot of very good points that I'd love to see further discussed. If repercussions are required, I'll leave it to 'patio11' to request them.

It's a self-referential article by someone encouraging a style of self-promotion that I find repulsive. I don't like most of the recommendations, and I'm sure Patrick won't either. But I definitely self-identify with some of the criticisms, and feel like I benefited from reading a perspective I disagree with. With luck, Patrick will too.

Re: I am not who you think I am

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Post by bl4k » Thu, Sep 23, 2010, 10:22 PM UTC

You can't ban somebody for their opinion

Re: I am not who you think I am

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Post by rick888 » Thu, Sep 23, 2010, 10:22 PM UTC

do we really need to give this more attention? really? REALLY?

Re: I am not who you think I am

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Post by bugsy » Thu, Sep 23, 2010, 10:23 PM UTC

How very strange. The article about Patrick is very positive and merely suggests that he has the potential to make a lot more than he does now, and gives him some tips to that regard. Since Patrick lives his business life in the open of the internet, then it's not unreasonable to publicly post such an article, using only public sources as reference.

There's a couple comments maybe he is afraid of success, maybe he suffers from Catholic guilt (presumably since he has a very Irish name and nearly all Irish are Catholic.) But it's nothing horrible and it's all highly qualified.

I really don't see anything wrong with it, and it's obvious that Patrick could make more money if he wanted to (say working as a quant on Wall Street), but that's his own business whether he wants to or not.

I could make more money doing other things myself as well and people tell me that, but there's a lot of stuff I don't want to do. Money isn't everything, and the article in reference is no big deal.

Re: I am not who you think I am

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Post by bugsy » Thu, Sep 23, 2010, 10:25 PM UTC

Herring wrote: post #18

kyro wrote: post #4

HN needs its own drama tv show. This is getting ridiculous.

>But, more importantly, patio11 is not who we think he is, and I am not who you think I am. I received a phone call from someone claiming to be both patio11 & jgrahamc. I must say I found it very puzzling.

The really puzzling part was that... the calls came from inside the house.

Re: I am not who you think I am

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Post by aresant » Thu, Sep 23, 2010, 10:27 PM UTC

"A celebrity is a person who works hard all of their life to become well known, and then wears dark glasses to avoid being recognized." - Fred A. Allen

Re: I am not who you think I am

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Post by [deleted] » Thu, Sep 23, 2010, 10:28 PM UTC

bl4k wrote: post #23

You can't ban somebody for their opinion

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Re: I am not who you think I am

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Post by Locke1689 » Thu, Sep 23, 2010, 10:31 PM UTC

How is what lionhearted wrote different from the commentary we place on "superstars" like DHH, Spolsky, and Zed Shaw? It was personal, yeah, but nothing was taken from something that Patrick didn't publish publicly.

I'm not really sure what to think about the article. Running it by Patrick first may have been a better move.

Re: I am not who you think I am

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Post by jacquesm » Thu, Sep 23, 2010, 10:31 PM UTC

bugsy wrote: post #25

How very strange. The article about Patrick is very positive and merely suggests that he has the potential to make a lot more than he does now, and gives him some tips to that regard. Since Patrick lives his business life in the open of the internet, then it's not unreasonable to publicly post such an article, using only public sources as reference. There's a couple comments maybe he is afraid of success, maybe he su…

Would it be possible to discuss this without descending to even greater depths?