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Vancouver Startup Hackathon Oct 8-10: cperciva & A Thinking Ape (YC W08)

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Re: Vancouver Startup Hackathon Oct 8-10: cperciva & A Thinking Ape (YC W08)

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on a side note, is there anything good coming out of vancouver right now? I haven't heard of anything since the bootup labs debacle.

There are a few startups in Vancouver: HootSuite, Kashoo, AdHack, Indicee, EnergyPulse. There are also a few acquired startups in the past 2-3 years. LayerBoom (Joyent), Smallthought (Twitter). Some solid companies such as: ElasticPath, VisionCritical, etc. Despite the list of startups and "solid" companies. I wouldn't bet on their balance sheet. I've been here since 2001 and while there are several key buyouts in th…

I actually think that the gloomy weather makes you stay indoor a lot more to work on startup ideas... I don't think weather is an issue here. In addition, the weather in Seattle is very similar to that of Vancouver. BC's economy is mainly service-driven. There are just few software companies.

Re: Vancouver Startup Hackathon Oct 8-10: cperciva & A Thinking Ape (YC W08)

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post #16

Earlier quoted context omitted.

In general, there are far more opportunities in places with more people. Toronto, Ottawa, Mississauga, and Waterloo area are quite ideal because you have a few good universities (such as UT and Waterloo), a few good companies (Google, RIM, etc), and what seemingly might be a good startup city (Ottawa) thanks to Nortell and a few big name hi-techs shut down.

I've always asked myself how come big companies like Google, IBM,etc are on the east side and not in Vancouver. I mean this clearly illustrates that there might be more tech workforce in Ontario. So for a startup this could be an advantage. It's just a educated guess and I don't have any facts yet.

On the other hand, there are tons of game companies in Vancouver ranging from online game, MMORPG, PS3, NintendoDS, to online gambling.

There's MS here but they are here to act as a buffer for their engineers pending H1-B.

Some hardware companies Broadcom, PMC-Sierra, Sierra Wireless.

There are IBM centers in Vancouver and Vancouver Island, but they do largely government projects (consulting) instead of R&D like the ones in Markham area.

Speaking about Google, they seem to acquire a handful startups in the Montreal to Ontario areas.

Re: Vancouver Startup Hackathon Oct 8-10: cperciva & A Thinking Ape (YC W08)

#23
post #9

Earlier quoted context omitted.

There are a few startups in Vancouver: HootSuite, Kashoo, AdHack, Indicee, EnergyPulse. There are also a few acquired startups in the past 2-3 years. LayerBoom (Joyent), Smallthought (Twitter). Some solid companies such as: ElasticPath, VisionCritical, etc. Despite the list of startups and "solid" companies. I wouldn't bet on their balance sheet. I've been here since 2001 and while there are several key buyouts in th…

I actually think that the gloomy weather makes you stay indoor a lot more to work on startup ideas... I don't think weather is an issue here. In addition, the weather in Seattle is very similar to that of Vancouver. BC's economy is mainly service-driven. There are just few software companies.

I used to think that if there are no options but to go to work when it rains/gloomy.

But look at the flip side, for a city that is well-known for 10 months of gloominess could be easily one of the reasons why people are not coming here or trying to leave. This minimize the talent pool however you read the situation.

Seattle, while having similar weather, has the advantage of being a "US" states. USA as a brand is huge. Given Vancouver vs Seattle, people would choose the latter quicker than the former. Hence there are more people in Seattle compare to Vancouver.

BC's economy is mainly service-driven because what else can they do with the lack of demand?

Re: Vancouver Startup Hackathon Oct 8-10: cperciva & A Thinking Ape (YC W08)

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post #3

on a side note, is there anything good coming out of vancouver right now? I haven't heard of anything since the bootup labs debacle.

Hootsuite is becoming a bit of a success story. Bootup Labs will have another intake in the new year, so we'll see what happens with that. "Plug and Play Tech Center" is opening an incubator here, and the Grow Conference happened over the summer at the new conference centre which housed the media during the Olympics. Still plenty of dopey heavily-government-subsidized green tech, but I have hope for the future.

I'm very obviously biased, as a founder of one of Bootup's startups, but I hear what everyone is saying here...Van has it's challenges when it comes to fueling rapid startup growth and success. I do think there are great people here striving to really change the world and a decent community around that scene trying to empower that activity.

I think a lot of the complaints I see here are fixable, and I think it would do a lot more good to focus on the value these types of events can bring to the culture in Van, rather than pointing out what's wrong all the time. It seems like a subset of the community is really downtrodden and negative, and they seem to be the most vocal, especially online.

I think money people like Boris Wertz and Jason Bailey are putting forth enormous efforts to jump start the scene right now. GROW was successful, and increasing we founders are talking with the influencers in the Valley and around the US. Hootsuite is one of a few potential success stories and I think that will be followed with a handful more from the younger companies.

Again yeah, I'm biased, but we're working as hard as anyone up here in Vancouver, and I see tons of potential.

Re: Vancouver Startup Hackathon Oct 8-10: cperciva & A Thinking Ape (YC W08)

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Startup Weekend Vancouver is the same weekend and I'm going. You should combine. Hootsuite is sponsoring a big dinner. And the Startup Weekend network is pretty sweet... access to a group that runs startup events across the world. It's a pretty cool grassroots event. You can go to Startup Weekend for around $50 total (Startup Digest discount) which includes food + everything. Just curious, why did you plan an event the same time as they did--just to save $50 so you can buy your own food? Why not work together?

Re: Vancouver Startup Hackathon Oct 8-10: cperciva & A Thinking Ape (YC W08)

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on a side note, is there anything good coming out of vancouver right now? I haven't heard of anything since the bootup labs debacle.

Is Tarsnap good? (please say yes...) In all seriousness, though, Tarsnap doesn't really come out of Vancouver. It happens to be located here, but that's just because I'm here; I certainly can't point to anything and say "if Tarsnap wasn't in Vancouver, I wouldn't have had access to X and it wouldn't have succeeded". I hope we can develop more of a startup community here, but so far all I've seen is hordes of MBAs and…

Completely agree that Vancouver could use more technical founders, but we do have plenty of "technical people", and you're right, lots are in the gaming industry. (the compass engine and dimerocker founders came from there)

It's hard to find "technical people" who are in a position to take the financial risk of starting a company. We're working hard (and I mean hard) to fix that by making more money available to them. Bootup's minimum criteria is, and has been for some time, that at least one co-founder has to be highly technical, but preferably both. But ideally, balanced in that the other would be heavy on design and user experience, HTML5/CSS.

Re: Vancouver Startup Hackathon Oct 8-10: cperciva & A Thinking Ape (YC W08)

#28

on a side note, is there anything good coming out of vancouver right now? I haven't heard of anything since the bootup labs debacle.

Some stuff happening. (by no means is this everything)

Mozzilla Thunderbird is developed in Vancouver Stewart Butterfield's TinySpeck is half here and half in SFO. Facebook has a bunch of employees here Apple has a bunch employees here. Microsoft Entertainment SuperRewards, sold to AdKnowledge LayerBoom, sold to Joyent DabbleDB/Trendly - now Twitter NowPublic, sold to Clarity Digital Matt from Flippa, 99designs PlentyOfFish Elastic Path Vision Critical Indicee Club Penguin (not Vancouver, but still notable) Metro lyrics Hootsuite CouterPath - makers of the famous X-Lite Voip client. Strutta Unbounce Mobify Deqq Mingleverse Jostle Fundrazr Rouxbe theKiwiCollection Sitemasher Bookriff CityMax Grooster Fotki Nitobi Sosido Networks GeoToko IQ Metrics Thinking Ape Carrotlines Contractually (Bootup) AdHack (Bootup) DimeRocker (Bootup) Summify (Bootup) Compass engine (Bootup) FoodTree (Bootup)

Re: Vancouver Startup Hackathon Oct 8-10: cperciva & A Thinking Ape (YC W08)

#29

This looks great, though it's hard not to notice this is the same weekend as Startup Weekend which is at Bootup. Just a coincidence?

Startup Weekend Vancouver is coordinated by Shauna, Melody, Lyndi from Seattle. They contacted us looking for space, and we said no problem. They're volunteering to make something cool happen, and how could that not be great. Actually, we're seeing more of that kind of thing happening in Vancouver, including the Hackathon.

I wont be able to make it due to family commitments for Thanksgiving, but there will be a bunch of people there and I hear they're making a turkey! If you're in the same boat as me, let us know, and maybe we'll coordinate another weekend where more of us can be available. - I've been hackin Ruby on Heroku, and would like to show it off, so I'm in for sure.

Of course, there are advantages to working together, but it's not necessary. The more of these events that happen the better and stronger our community is.

Re: Vancouver Startup Hackathon Oct 8-10: cperciva & A Thinking Ape (YC W08)

#30

on a side note, is there anything good coming out of vancouver right now? I haven't heard of anything since the bootup labs debacle.

Some stuff happening. (by no means is this everything) Mozzilla Thunderbird is developed in Vancouver Stewart Butterfield's TinySpeck is half here and half in SFO. Facebook has a bunch of employees here Apple has a bunch employees here. Microsoft Entertainment SuperRewards, sold to AdKnowledge LayerBoom, sold to Joyent DabbleDB/Trendly - now Twitter NowPublic, sold to Clarity Digital Matt from Flippa, 99designs Plent…

Mozilla is relatively new here. I remember a few years ago there were news around the internet about Mozilla booting Thunderbird. Not sure why or what is that all about.

Microsoft has a game studio in here, not sure how long before they absorb and move everyone down south of the border. So it's not the whole MS Entertainment division is here.

Some of the companies that got bought by bigger companies are either move to USA (Flickr, DabbleDB) or ended up in here with a possible more pressure to do more sales from the HQ; basically they have to prove that they worth and the goals being set by their big mothership is usually far more ambitious than their initial startup goals. By the way, gone is all the goodies that they offer to their employees; HQ wants some cost-cutting in-place pronto (I'm not making this up, go ask any companies that got bought, including those who got bought by Intel, Ericsson, Nokia, EA, BO/SAP, etc).

99Designs is based in Australia. Flippa, not sure. Yes, Matt is local in Vancouver, but what about the rest of his crews? Matt is also in the web design business, which, coincidentally, what Vancouver is more known of: lots of web-designers. It's hard to convince engineers to mingle with web-designers when the designers are leading the company.

Jostle: http://www.jostleme.com/?p=788 (after 6 years now they're out of Stealth mode?)

Sitemasher: http://www.techvibes.com/blog/sitemasher-sold-and-winding-do... (this was back in June 2010, no more info after that, website is down). I'm not sure how they fit with Salesforce.com if the rumors are true.

BookRiff is based in Quebec.

Grooster is in the same space with Groupon.

Fotki is somewhere out there on the edge of the map (Maple Ridge). Ditto with Club Penguin, like 4 hours outside Vancouver.

CounterPath has been around since 2002, current stock price: $1.35. We have lots of companies like this around Vancouver: been around for a while, stock price flat between tenth of cents to less than 2 dollars.

NowPublic, a drupal based website, lay-off 8 out of 11 after being sold: http://www.techvibes.com/blog/nowpublic-lays-off-staff-and-l...

Nitobi is in the JavaScript widget business (and consulting as well)

CarrotLines: go check their website and judge them yourself.

Apple in Vancouver: unsure what they do (mixed of iTunes Store, a bit of Apple iWork) , plus it's a very small branch, Apple can close it down very quickly and ask the engineers to move to Cupertino

DabbleDB really got lucky. I don't know if they're even profitable back then. They seem to just slowly eating the investor money with no clear business vision.

PlentyOfFish is Marcus baby with lots of ASP.NET hacked together quickly. He keeps all the money (like 10 millions of them?) and hire a Senior Software Engineer after a couple of profitable years (probably to fix the mess). I'm not suggesting that's a bad move, but by no means that make Vancouver a good thriving place for hiring talents when the owners are like that.

I don't mean to sound negative or trying to air the dirty laundry at Vancouver. This is the culture we have right now and it's driving the engineering talents out to the east or south of the border.

I've seen a lot of "social media" companies that were startups 2 years ago and died not too long ago. I've seen shady companies with no clear goal/business models. I've seen consulting companies betting their business in Drupal and Wordpress!. RainCity is going down hard.

I've seen plenty people jumping to the iPhone bandwaggon and suddenly they're a startup with good business models? in Silicon Valley they might, but not in Vancouver. You can't pull that thing up here.

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