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Xerox calls off $6.1B sale to Fujifilm

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Re: Xerox calls off $6.1B sale to Fujifilm

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Post by dxf »

psetq wrote: post #15

Somewhat off topic, but If you're interested in the history of modern computing and not already familiar with the Xerox PARC [0] story, you should know that Xerox has a fascinating history of computer research innovation, and is often regarded as one of the real major driving forces behind the P.C. as we know it. An interesting account (as well as a great deal more about the rest of the history of modern computers) i…

I enjoyed reading "Fumbling the Future: How Xerox Invented, then Ignored, the First Personal Computer"[0]. At the end of the first half of the book, you wonder how anything can stop Xerox. In the second half, you learn how Xerox can stop Xerox.

[0] https://www.goodreads.com/book/show/638812.Fumbling_the_Futu...

Re: Xerox calls off $6.1B sale to Fujifilm

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Post by aaronbrethorst »

ricardobeat wrote: post #20
paulmd wrote: post #12

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Disappointing, but unfortunately not surprising. They have been winding down their film production for a while now. First it was Astia and some of the oddball LF sizes, then it was FP100C in 4x5, then the 3x4, then FP3000B, and it just keeps rolling on. I've been expecting this for a while and have a good stash of film tucked away that will carry me for quite a while. I have about 150 rolls of various slide films in…

Make the move to digital. Their cameras and lenses are nothing short of amazing, and the sensors are tuned to replicate all of their film variants.

Not the GP, but I shoot with an X-Pro2 when I'm using digital, but I prefer working with film and I'm still pissed that Acros is being discontinued.

Re: Xerox calls off $6.1B sale to Fujifilm

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Post by jngreenlee »

DonHopkins wrote: post #19
falcon620 wrote: post #13

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Kodakoin! Edit: Wait, you weren't joking! https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/KodakCoin omg. This is such a disgraceful way for that company to die.

Better than being bought by Oracle, at least!

"Announced today, Larry Coin offers tokenized ORACLE SQL transactions. Each coin holder can instantly validate their transaction was run in the ORACLE Cloud.[...]"

Re: Xerox calls off $6.1B sale to Fujifilm

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Post by anoncoward111 »

DonHopkins wrote: post #19
falcon620 wrote: post #13

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Kodakoin! Edit: Wait, you weren't joking! https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/KodakCoin omg. This is such a disgraceful way for that company to die.

Better than being bought by Oracle, at least!

used to work for oracle, can confirm, an acquisition of your firm by oracle is the end of all fun and sane times

time to start looking or counting your shares if you were that high up in your firm :)

Re: Xerox calls off $6.1B sale to Fujifilm

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Post by sho »

Aloha wrote: post #18
paulmd wrote: post #12

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Disappointing, but unfortunately not surprising. They have been winding down their film production for a while now. First it was Astia and some of the oddball LF sizes, then it was FP100C in 4x5, then the 3x4, then FP3000B, and it just keeps rolling on. I've been expecting this for a while and have a good stash of film tucked away that will carry me for quite a while. I have about 150 rolls of various slide films in…

If no one is buying it - or not enough to sustain production, its going to go away.

Yeah, I was gonna say. It's sad, but one can't expect a company to keep an entire production line open just for a rapidly dwindling number of enthusiasts. They have better ways to deploy their resources. It would be arguably negligent for them to not do so.

They probably shuttered the production facility years ago and are just running out their inventory. It might actually be quite lucrative, if evil, to buy some for later resale.

Re: Xerox calls off $6.1B sale to Fujifilm

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Post by anoncoward111 »

jngreenlee wrote: post #23
DonHopkins wrote: post #19

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Better than being bought by Oracle, at least!

"Announced today, Larry Coin offers tokenized ORACLE SQL transactions. Each coin holder can instantly validate their transaction was run in the ORACLE Cloud.[...]"

Oracle's various cloud offerings are complete and total vaporware. maybe the ones that were acquired are legitimate but will eventually be mismanaged and exploded.

oracle was billing my clients like $5,000 a day for phantom, non-existent "ENTERPRISE EDITION TM HYPER PERFORMANCE DATABAE CLUSTERS" that we never purchased

Re: Xerox calls off $6.1B sale to Fujifilm

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Post by paulmd »

Aloha wrote: post #18
paulmd wrote: post #12

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Disappointing, but unfortunately not surprising. They have been winding down their film production for a while now. First it was Astia and some of the oddball LF sizes, then it was FP100C in 4x5, then the 3x4, then FP3000B, and it just keeps rolling on. I've been expecting this for a while and have a good stash of film tucked away that will carry me for quite a while. I have about 150 rolls of various slide films in…

If no one is buying it - or not enough to sustain production, its going to go away.

Kodak "rightsized" their film production a few years ago, and film sales are actually on an incline since then (both due to enthusiasts and professional cinematographers). They're actually bringing back various classic film stocks as well as introducing new ones based on modern R&D. Ilford has shed their financial legacy (and toxic waste-dump of a site) and is doing better these days too.

https://www.dpreview.com/news/9503675822/analog-revival-incr...

https://www.dpreview.com/news/1282034127/kodak-alaris-is-bri...

https://www.bhphotovideo.com/explora/photography/features/gr...

Fuji just can't get their act together, and to be honest they've never been a very well-run company. Amazing products (best-in-class film, cameras, lenses, etc) but extremely shitty marketing and distribution, particularly outside the Asia market. They're finally sorta getting it together with the digital side of the company (the X-series are great and have a big following in NA/Europe) but the film side has been a mess for 50+ years. Probably a lesson in there for the entrepreneurs of HN - along with the importance of producing the appropriate amount of product.

The really aggravating thing is their instant packfilms (peel-apart Polaroid film) - they literally are making the emulsion anyway for their Instax series (which have been selling like crazy for years), they just need to produce different sizes of film, which has traditionally not been A Big Deal for film companies, up until Fuji made it one. They could increase their volume quite a bit if they would just restart production of the standard film sizes that Polaroid, MF, and LF shooters have been using for decades, but they only make the proprietary one that fits their cameras.

Re: Xerox calls off $6.1B sale to Fujifilm

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Post by sho »

aaronbrethorst wrote: post #22
ricardobeat wrote: post #20

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Make the move to digital. Their cameras and lenses are nothing short of amazing, and the sensors are tuned to replicate all of their film variants.

Not the GP, but I shoot with an X-Pro2 when I'm using digital, but I prefer working with film and I'm still pissed that Acros is being discontinued.

The X-Pro2 is a beautiful little camera with a great personality, and the whole X series is just so .. classy, both the hardware and the results. I have an older x100 and people used to come up and ask me about it!

One of the reasons I love the series so much is that they're so unassuming, almost looking like fashion accessories because compared to other ranges they just look so good. So people don't shy away from them like they do if you walk around with some giant DSLR like a tourist or some wannabe vlogger. And yet they are capable of just gorgeous pictures, so there's this wonderful nexus between aesthetic form and function that I don't see from any other major manufacturer.

And the pictures they take... one of the little joys I get as a casual photographer is when I take a photo of someone, and they love it so much that they immediately post it as their profile picture. This happened more often with the x100 than any other camera, by some combination of having the thing present in the first place, people not being scared of it, and the charming pictures it takes. Good feelings.

I've been pretty tempted by the X100F and if there's an update this year I may not be able to resist. No-one ever complimented my Sony...

Re: Xerox calls off $6.1B sale to Fujifilm

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Post by ClassyJacket »

calypso wrote: post #9
weaksauce wrote: post #7

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Fujifilm also is not just electronics.

I even use their film still. Granted they are discontinuing most of their film lines this year but still a very relevant company, especially with their mirrorless cameras

I buy hundreds of dollars of their instant camera film packs per year. I hope nothing happens to that.

Re: Xerox calls off $6.1B sale to Fujifilm

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Post by ekianjo »

ricardobeat wrote: post #20
paulmd wrote: post #12

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Disappointing, but unfortunately not surprising. They have been winding down their film production for a while now. First it was Astia and some of the oddball LF sizes, then it was FP100C in 4x5, then the 3x4, then FP3000B, and it just keeps rolling on. I've been expecting this for a while and have a good stash of film tucked away that will carry me for quite a while. I have about 150 rolls of various slide films in…

Make the move to digital. Their cameras and lenses are nothing short of amazing, and the sensors are tuned to replicate all of their film variants.

If you do medium format there is not really much choice for medium digital format. And lets not even talk about large format. The world of photography goes beyond 35mm.
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