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Malaysia Opposition, Led by 92-Year-Old, Wins Upset Victory

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Re: Malaysia Opposition, Led by 92-Year-Old, Wins Upset Victory

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Post by dejv »

lowtto wrote: post #12
nafey wrote: post #3

If any Malaysians can answer: Recently Malaysia has been in news for increased religious extremism/fundamentalism. Can any improvement on this front be expected by the new government?

Yes it can. Some objectives includes true da'wah. An effort to demonstrate a kind, tolerant and true Islam. Best example you can see today is the atmosphere of the election itself. Near non-existent violent / provocation or mass street demonstration has occurred. This is arguably the most peaceful turnaround of power ever in history of democracy. And we even accepted a 92-year old as our President.

I am not living in Malaysia anymore, so I haven't followed the news lately. But wasn't part of this coalition, strong especially in east coast, very conservative party that wants to bring some very lethal punishments for petty crime (like chopping hands) as part of their agenda?

Re: Malaysia Opposition, Led by 92-Year-Old, Wins Upset Victory

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Post by rayiner »

azernik wrote: post #20
rayiner wrote: post #17

I don’t understand the spin. The article doesn’t mention that he was prime minister for more than 20 years previously until halfway through. By most accounts a decent prime minister. But also a virulent anti-Semite: http://www.jcpa.org/jl/vp506.htm

Because the leader isn't the point; the political parties are . He's a unifying figure for an ethnic-minority and liberal-opposition coalition very different from the one that's ruled the country since independence.

“The Europeans killed six million Jews out of 12 million. But today the Jews rule this world by proxy. They get others to fight and die for them.” - The Prime Minister Elect of Malaysia.

He’s the liberal opposition?

Re: Malaysia Opposition, Led by 92-Year-Old, Wins Upset Victory

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Post by rayiner »

nailer wrote: post #15
qubex wrote: post #4

As somebody who frequented Malaysia extensively in the first half of the 2000s (in the aftermath of the ruinous 1997 currency crisis) I’m very curious to see how the dynamic between Mahathir and Anwar plays out: the latter was a member of the former’s government during the crisis and the former had the latter jailed on what were wildly held to be trumped-up sodomy charges (as the article mentions). This is going to b…

Mahatir is insane (or as the post notes below, perhaps shrewdly taking advantage of ignorant or powerless populace). Asides from faking the sodomy charges against Anwar (who was widely popular and hence seen as a threat), he also believes an international conspiracy of Jewish people caused the Asian Financial Crisis: https://www.nytimes.com/1997/10/16/world/malaysian-premier-s... https://www.theguardian.com/world/200…

The downvoting for pointing out the documented anti-semitism is interesting.

Re: Malaysia Opposition, Led by 92-Year-Old, Wins Upset Victory

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Post by ghba66 »

rayiner wrote: post #22
azernik wrote: post #20

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Because the leader isn't the point; the political parties are . He's a unifying figure for an ethnic-minority and liberal-opposition coalition very different from the one that's ruled the country since independence.

“The Europeans killed six million Jews out of 12 million. But today the Jews rule this world by proxy. They get others to fight and die for them.” - The Prime Minister Elect of Malaysia. He’s the liberal opposition?

Well... isn't that true?

Re: Malaysia Opposition, Led by 92-Year-Old, Wins Upset Victory

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Post by frostwhale »

ghba66 wrote: post #24
rayiner wrote: post #22

Earlier quoted context omitted.

“The Europeans killed six million Jews out of 12 million. But today the Jews rule this world by proxy. They get others to fight and die for them.” - The Prime Minister Elect of Malaysia. He’s the liberal opposition?

Well... isn't that true?

No there isnt a secret cabal of jewish warlords ordering christians around. Or Muslims. Or atheists even for that matter.

Re: Malaysia Opposition, Led by 92-Year-Old, Wins Upset Victory

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Post by ghba66 »

frostwhale wrote: post #25
ghba66 wrote: post #24

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Well... isn't that true?

No there isnt a secret cabal of jewish warlords ordering christians around. Or Muslims. Or atheists even for that matter.

Nice strawman.

No, there is not, but everything the US and the NATO does is to protect Israel at the detriment of the rest of the world.

The fact that there's no way to have this conversation just proves it further.

Re: Malaysia Opposition, Led by 92-Year-Old, Wins Upset Victory

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Post by ptero »

rayiner wrote: post #23
nailer wrote: post #15

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Mahatir is insane (or as the post notes below, perhaps shrewdly taking advantage of ignorant or powerless populace). Asides from faking the sodomy charges against Anwar (who was widely popular and hence seen as a threat), he also believes an international conspiracy of Jewish people caused the Asian Financial Crisis: https://www.nytimes.com/1997/10/16/world/malaysian-premier-s... https://www.theguardian.com/world/200…

The downvoting for pointing out the documented anti-semitism is interesting.

I do not think it gets downvotes for pointing out documented anti-semitism. My guess is that the first sentence is a downvote magnet. Nothing else in that post points to insanity. IMO, it rather indicates a very shrewd politician working to control public opinion and get rid of opponents using all tools available.

Re: Malaysia Opposition, Led by 92-Year-Old, Wins Upset Victory

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Post by isostatic »

ghba66 wrote: post #26
frostwhale wrote: post #25

Earlier quoted context omitted.

No there isnt a secret cabal of jewish warlords ordering christians around. Or Muslims. Or atheists even for that matter.

Nice strawman. No, there is not, but everything the US and the NATO does is to protect Israel at the detriment of the rest of the world. The fact that there's no way to have this conversation just proves it further.

There is a large Jewish^W Israel-Fan-Club demographic in the US that puts the treatment as Israel as the highest importance when deciding who to vote for. Due to the way that, in the U.S. political system, power shuffles from one extreme to another at the movement of a few thousand votes, both sides have to keep that demographic on board, and that means supporting Israel's right to exist (Israel being a tiny country in the middle east, which has been invaded by it's neighbours on more than one occasion)

There's a strong argument that the US diplomatic stance (especially the vetos on security council resolutions) is pro Israel because if it wasn't, the sitting party would lose a lot of votes.

However I'm not aware of any military action taken by the US, let alone NATO, at the behest of Israel.

If the U.S. democratic system was actually representative, and didn't favour a 'winner takes all' one party system, perhaps the treatment of Israel would be less of a crucial matter.

Re: Malaysia Opposition, Led by 92-Year-Old, Wins Upset Victory

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Post by jcranmer »

isostatic wrote: post #28
ghba66 wrote: post #26

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Nice strawman. No, there is not, but everything the US and the NATO does is to protect Israel at the detriment of the rest of the world. The fact that there's no way to have this conversation just proves it further.

There is a large Jewish^W Israel-Fan-Club demographic in the US that puts the treatment as Israel as the highest importance when deciding who to vote for. Due to the way that, in the U.S. political system, power shuffles from one extreme to another at the movement of a few thousand votes, both sides have to keep that demographic on board, and that means supporting Israel's right to exist (Israel being a tiny country…

The pro-Israel policy isn't driven by Jews, it's driven by evangelical Christians.

Re: Malaysia Opposition, Led by 92-Year-Old, Wins Upset Victory

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Post by mango7283 »

dejv wrote: post #21
lowtto wrote: post #12

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Yes it can. Some objectives includes true da'wah. An effort to demonstrate a kind, tolerant and true Islam. Best example you can see today is the atmosphere of the election itself. Near non-existent violent / provocation or mass street demonstration has occurred. This is arguably the most peaceful turnaround of power ever in history of democracy. And we even accepted a 92-year old as our President.

I am not living in Malaysia anymore, so I haven't followed the news lately. But wasn't part of this coalition, strong especially in east coast, very conservative party that wants to bring some very lethal punishments for petty crime (like chopping hands) as part of their agenda?

No, the Islamic party split with the coalition a few years ago over an attempt to bring the bill on implementing hudud laws to parliament
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