VC Tim Draper has revived his proposal to carve California into smaller parts • Hacker News Board

Re: VC Tim Draper has revived his proposal to carve California into smaller parts

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Post by ardit33 » Wed, Apr 25, 2018, 4:05 AM UTC

technofiend wrote: post #15

ardit33 wrote: post #8

Not a terrible idea. NY should be split as well, maybe then the NYC subway will be fixed. NYC metro area pays 11B more in taxes that takes back. Basically subsidizing the rest of the state while we swelter in subways stuck in tunnels, crappy service, and other nonsense. While there are people in Upstate NY that think that NYC politics occupies the state's agenda too much. I honestly believe the state would be better…

Repairing and upgrading subways would require local political wherewithal that NYC has not demonstrated so far. If Albany is truly draining fare money from MTA your rides might be cheaper but the changes wouldn't happen any faster. But is Albany really getting money from the NYC MTA? I'm skeptical.

Yes, the MTA is actually controlled by Albany and not NYC, which is crazy. More than 1.5B funding has been diverted in other things.

The MTA should be controlled by NYC and the counties that are near by, and affected by it. Albany is hundreds of miles away, plus most of upstate is so far, that might as well be a different state.

https://www.nytimes.com/2017/11/18/nyregion/new-york-subway-...

"They stripped a combined $1.5 billion from the M.T.A. by repeatedly diverting tax revenues earmarked for the subways and also by demanding large payments for financial advice, I.T. help and other services "

Re: VC Tim Draper has revived his proposal to carve California into smaller parts

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Post by telchar » Wed, Apr 25, 2018, 4:08 AM UTC

matte_black wrote: post #18

I’d love to see it broken up. Right now it’s just a guaranteed blue state for Democrats election after election, and many areas of California are getting poor representation. Since we’re currently in the process of shaking up a lot of things maybe it will finally happen.

We could also join together Kansas, Nebraska, Oklahoma and maybe a few other plains states into a single state. They always vote together and most people can't tell them apart anyway, plus there's the efficiencies of reducing redundant government functions to think about. And the naked partisan interest is just gravy.

Re: VC Tim Draper has revived his proposal to carve California into smaller parts

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Post by ardit33 » Wed, Apr 25, 2018, 4:08 AM UTC

nontechdude1 wrote: post #17

ardit33 wrote: post #8

Not a terrible idea. NY should be split as well, maybe then the NYC subway will be fixed. NYC metro area pays 11B more in taxes that takes back. Basically subsidizing the rest of the state while we swelter in subways stuck in tunnels, crappy service, and other nonsense. While there are people in Upstate NY that think that NYC politics occupies the state's agenda too much. I honestly believe the state would be better…

I'm kind of sad it's come to the point where different regions of America claim they're "subsidizing" other regions populated by other Americans. I mean, I'm sick of "subsidizing" all the black people in the US; why can't we just kick them all out? (this was sarcasm) Of course, there is no way for me to know whether or not the time difference between the US and Moscow is significant enough to prevent HackerNews IRA s…

By 'subsiding', I mean other ares of the state get the funds, while the subway (which most poor people in NYC take), get shafted. In real life that means a poor person going to work gets fired because they are late again, as the subway broke down yet again, and taking a taxi is too expensive/cost prohibitive for them.

Yes, it affects most poor and middle class people in NYC. Remember, rich people probably use uber/limos/black-cars and don't have to mingle with the 'commoners' down there.

Re: VC Tim Draper has revived his proposal to carve California into smaller parts

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Post by nontechdude1 » Wed, Apr 25, 2018, 4:41 AM UTC

ardit33 wrote: post #23

nontechdude1 wrote: post #17

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I'm kind of sad it's come to the point where different regions of America claim they're "subsidizing" other regions populated by other Americans. I mean, I'm sick of "subsidizing" all the black people in the US; why can't we just kick them all out? (this was sarcasm) Of course, there is no way for me to know whether or not the time difference between the US and Moscow is significant enough to prevent HackerNews IRA s…

By 'subsiding', I mean other ares of the state get the funds, while the subway (which most poor people in NYC take), get shafted. In real life that means a poor person going to work gets fired because they are late again, as the subway broke down yet again, and taking a taxi is too expensive/cost prohibitive for them. Yes, it affects most poor and middle class people in NYC. Remember, rich people probably use uber/li…

the financial industry and poor people who happen to live in nyc are very, very, very disparate things.

when you're the global headquarters for a globally important industries, you're in a separate world from the problems around you. which is probably best. note how the bay area housing crisis, although caused by tech firms, is pretty handily ignored by people who helped cause it.

not all politics is local.

Re: VC Tim Draper has revived his proposal to carve California into smaller parts

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Post by matte_black » Wed, Apr 25, 2018, 4:58 AM UTC

telchar wrote: post #22

matte_black wrote: post #18

I’d love to see it broken up. Right now it’s just a guaranteed blue state for Democrats election after election, and many areas of California are getting poor representation. Since we’re currently in the process of shaking up a lot of things maybe it will finally happen.

We could also join together Kansas, Nebraska, Oklahoma and maybe a few other plains states into a single state. They always vote together and most people can't tell them apart anyway, plus there's the efficiencies of reducing redundant government functions to think about. And the naked partisan interest is just gravy.

Nah, keep them separate. Favor smaller pieces. Maybe split Florida into North and South.

Re: VC Tim Draper has revived his proposal to carve California into smaller parts

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Post by ericb » Wed, Apr 25, 2018, 11:19 AM UTC

telchar wrote: post #20

ericb wrote: post #12

Interesting. Since the senate is one vote per state, what was California would go from 1 to 3 senators. If carved up in this manner, I wonder how the new states would vote?

The senate is two votes per state... though the ratio works out the same. Clearly the new states would vote more heavily Republican on average than California currently does, else he wouldn't be proposing this. I suspect the big win (for him) electorally would be peeling off votes in the Electoral College. The article mentions union-busting as another motive, which squares with the right-wing motivation.

> The senate is two votes per state...

That's embarrassing that I forgot that. Is Tim Draper a republican?

Re: VC Tim Draper has revived his proposal to carve California into smaller parts

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Post by telchar » Thu, Apr 26, 2018, 2:10 AM UTC

ericb wrote: post #26

telchar wrote: post #20

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The senate is two votes per state... though the ratio works out the same. Clearly the new states would vote more heavily Republican on average than California currently does, else he wouldn't be proposing this. I suspect the big win (for him) electorally would be peeling off votes in the Electoral College. The article mentions union-busting as another motive, which squares with the right-wing motivation.

> The senate is two votes per state... That's embarrassing that I forgot that. Is Tim Draper a republican?

I don't know, but I can only assume. Who else would want to split up California and has a thing for busting unions?