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Apple Will Start Paying Back Taxes to Irish Government Next Month

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Re: Apple Will Start Paying Back Taxes to Irish Government Next Month

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"Apple CEO Tim Cook previously called the decision "total political crap" " Fuck off asshole. Playing to the limits of tax law is fine, but acting outraged when it backfires on you is lame. You played, you lost, suck it up.

Exactly. Nothing against firms trying to optimize their fiscal plan but if you have to pay then shut up and pay it up.

Re: Apple Will Start Paying Back Taxes to Irish Government Next Month

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When the people complain about the European union taking too much autonomy, this seems like a pretty good example. It seems crazy to me that Ireland is "not allowed" to set taxes as low as it would like to attract foreign investment. Even states in the US can freely do that!

I don't like some EU taxation rules, e.g. the minimum 15% VAT, which effectively sets an upper bound on government efficiency, but this has nothing to do with that. Ireland is not being penalized for having taxes that are too low, but, in the words of the EC[1]: > Ireland granted undue tax benefits of up to > €13 billion to Apple. This is illegal under > EU state aid rules, because it allowed Apple > to pay substanti…

Ah, I didn't pick up on that distinction. Thank you.

Re: Apple Will Start Paying Back Taxes to Irish Government Next Month

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You have to hand it to the Irish. As a plan to collect more tax in the long term, offering (effectively) tax free status by not enforcing "Double Irish w/ Dutch Sandwich", to attract big players, letting them dig themselves into tax-debt holes for a few years while letting them feel they will get off scott-free, then enforcing it and securing a deal to get back-taxes paid, is pretty genius. Very stable genius to help…

It's not Ireland trying to make Apple pay back-taxes! The European Commission is forcing Ireland to charge Apple them.

Come on. IE is not double dealing to the EU for a bit of kick back somehow? Of course they are. That EU is "forcing" them is hilarious. IE loves to play a fake victim if they can, and in this case, all the better to be open for business. "Oh, EU, please stop getting me to get Apple to pay me taxes. Please stop making me collect revenue." Said no state ever. But believe their fake victim tale if you want. The Irish are clearly too clever for you!

Re: Apple Will Start Paying Back Taxes to Irish Government Next Month

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You have to hand it to the Irish. As a plan to collect more tax in the long term, offering (effectively) tax free status by not enforcing "Double Irish w/ Dutch Sandwich", to attract big players, letting them dig themselves into tax-debt holes for a few years while letting them feel they will get off scott-free, then enforcing it and securing a deal to get back-taxes paid, is pretty genius. Very stable genius to help…

That's not at all what's happening here.

Of course it's not.

Re: Apple Will Start Paying Back Taxes to Irish Government Next Month

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You have to hand it to the Irish. As a plan to collect more tax in the long term, offering (effectively) tax free status by not enforcing "Double Irish w/ Dutch Sandwich", to attract big players, letting them dig themselves into tax-debt holes for a few years while letting them feel they will get off scott-free, then enforcing it and securing a deal to get back-taxes paid, is pretty genius. Very stable genius to help…

This comment really demonstrates a lack of knowledge and understanding of the situation. Not to HN standards.

Probably. What do I know. Not an expert.

Re: Apple Will Start Paying Back Taxes to Irish Government Next Month

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post #14

"Apple CEO Tim Cook previously called the decision "total political crap" " Fuck off asshole. Playing to the limits of tax law is fine, but acting outraged when it backfires on you is lame. You played, you lost, suck it up.

He and Apple was following the law. If Europe was so angry about Ireland's tax laws they should have stopped it from taking effect in the beginning.

Re: Apple Will Start Paying Back Taxes to Irish Government Next Month

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You have to hand it to the Irish. As a plan to collect more tax in the long term, offering (effectively) tax free status by not enforcing "Double Irish w/ Dutch Sandwich", to attract big players, letting them dig themselves into tax-debt holes for a few years while letting them feel they will get off scott-free, then enforcing it and securing a deal to get back-taxes paid, is pretty genius. Very stable genius to help…

Ireland is not "enforcing" anything; the European Commission are the party that ruled that Apple received unfair tax treatment. Both Apple and the Irish government are appealing that ruling. https://www.reuters.com/article/us-eu-apple-taxavoidance/ire...

Yeah, sure. That was a condition by IE of the EU bringing this ruling. "You have to make us look culpable as well, it's just better for business." You really don't think that's how it works? You're too naive!

Re: Apple Will Start Paying Back Taxes to Irish Government Next Month

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post #14

"Apple CEO Tim Cook previously called the decision "total political crap" " Fuck off asshole. Playing to the limits of tax law is fine, but acting outraged when it backfires on you is lame. You played, you lost, suck it up.

He and Apple was following the law. If Europe was so angry about Ireland's tax laws they should have stopped it from taking effect in the beginning.

Don’t really get people who defend mega corporations. They played the game and they lost. They should’ve known that the rules can change, especially if someone is cheating or gaming the system.

Re: Apple Will Start Paying Back Taxes to Irish Government Next Month

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post #14

"Apple CEO Tim Cook previously called the decision "total political crap" " Fuck off asshole. Playing to the limits of tax law is fine, but acting outraged when it backfires on you is lame. You played, you lost, suck it up.

He and Apple was following the law. If Europe was so angry about Ireland's tax laws they should have stopped it from taking effect in the beginning.

Life is political

Tim Cook knows all about “optics”

It’s rather ignorant and selfish for him to pretend laws shouldn’t change or should only favor him

It’s the social equivalent of building on a Google svc and having them shut down that service

QQ for Tim Cook but it’s well within the authority of the government in question

Poor billionaire snowflake

Maybe he can do like Thiel and invest in undermining public institutions cause you know a minority of uber rich should control everything don’t ya know

Re: Apple Will Start Paying Back Taxes to Irish Government Next Month

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post #14

"Apple CEO Tim Cook previously called the decision "total political crap" " Fuck off asshole. Playing to the limits of tax law is fine, but acting outraged when it backfires on you is lame. You played, you lost, suck it up.

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