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Post by abalone »

annexrichmond wrote: post #19
abalone wrote: post #15

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> if some group of people are overrepresented in some category, it is less likely to be a coincidence; i.e., I doubt it's because the people there are just less sexist You have simply defined “overrepresentation” in a sexist manner (50% women).

overrepresented given some pool. Do you have data that suggests said pool is 50%, instead of replying to all my comments and calling me sexist?

“In 1970, only 7.6% of physicians were female. Today, approximately 30% of full time physicians are women and about 50% of medical school students are female. The vast improvement in statistics is not only promising but also inspiring for other divisions of the workforce that have not seen that quick of an improvement. However, upon diving deeper into statistics, it’s clear that gender still plays an unfair role in the success of a doctor. Between 80 to 90 percent of leadership roles in medicine, like medical school deans, are filled by men...”[1]

Your concept of a “pool” is as sexist as thinking that a hospital with more than 7.6% women physicians in 1970 was a result of discrimination against men.

The advance of women in medicine is not an “over representation”. It is closing the gap on underrepresentation due to systemic sexism (with still more work to do). This is beginning to happening in CS and other high wage fields traditionally reserved as men’s work. Your argument merely seeks to bastardize and turn the very terminology of sexism against this effort.

[1] https://sites.psu.edu/civic/2017/02/14/gender-discrimination...

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Post by reefoctopus »

clay_the_ripper wrote: post #14
toomuchtodo wrote: post #12

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It’s really disappointing to see organistions legitimize discrimination in their efforts to support diversity for the PR/talent acquisition signaling. Actively discriminating against white men is no different than discriminating against other races and genders. I too have seen what you’ve described take place.

I think you need to familiarize yourself with employment law. Specifically the idea of a protected class: Protected Class: The groups protected from the employment discrimination by law. These groups include men and women on the basis of sex; any group which shares a common race, religion, color, or national origin; people over 40; and people with physical or mental handicaps. Every U.S. citizen is a member of some p…

It's dscrimination by definition if you're throwing out resumes based on the color of someone's skin and what is between their legs. You can argue all you want that it isn't illegal, but that doesn't make it any less alienating for those of us on the wrong side of it. Equality of opportunity is what we should aim for not equality of outcome.

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Post by Jack000 »

CryoLogic wrote: post #8
abalone wrote: post #5

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Seriously? I’m sure you’re first to comment about the inherent sexism in 90% male engineering leadership teams. Companies that focus on seeking out qualified talent from underrepresented groups have a competitive advantage, by exploiting the inherent prejudice in their competitors to access an undervalued talent pool. This in turn attracts even overrepresented talent that is motivated to work for teams with these pri…

He has a point if just by the math. I get it you want to support women, but many companies do discriminate against perfectly qualified men in order to get that. There is a far smaller supply of qualified women in engineering and engineering leadership right now. I've been on a team before where one member was adamant about throwing out resumes from white men for the sake of diversity. I know it happens. So yes, the c…

> He has a point if just by the math

Mathematically the percentage probably falls on a bell curve and is heavily dependent on priors like industry and workplace culture. Given the large number of companies we should expect at least some outliers to occur naturally. Additionally almost every company should expect to be outliers in some kind of arbitrary metric.

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Post by abalone »

annexrichmond wrote: post #20
abalone wrote: post #17

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> 75% of teachers are women; 84% of nurses are women... > Don't hear much about inherent sexism in other industries. You should listen more.[1][2] [1] https://sites.psu.edu/civic/2017/02/14/gender-discrimination... [2] https://www.nytimes.com/2014/09/07/sunday-review/why-dont-mo...

glad you brought those up. Sexism can indeed happen anywhere. No one is saying it doesn't happen (I hope) However it's not conclusive whether sexism towards men or sexism towards women has made the ratios the way they are. Surely it's some factor, but how much? Many professions that used to be nearly 100% male are now more than 50% women, while some that used to be nearly 100% has stayed well below 50% women. Why is…

Look, you seem earnest here. It’s really not a big mystery. Generally, lower paying more menial jobs have been “women’s work” while men have monopolized the higher paying jobs. There are exceptions, status is a factor as well, but generally men have worked together as a class to monopolize the most desirable work. Same for white people. Look for money and status and you’ll find a fairly strong pattern across industries.

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Post by maybeiambatman »

annexrichmond wrote: post #9
maybeiambatman wrote: post #6

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You don't have to be sexist to attract women in leadership. Women engineers aren't rare by absolute numbers, but rare as a % portion of total engineering leaders. If they promise and deliver on a culture where women in leadership can thrive and attempt to recruit smart women, then more women will join. Success breeds success.

Thanks for the thoughtful reply. Having trouble reconciling it with my reasoning though, which is: if some group of people are overrepresented in some category, it is less likely to be a coincidence; i.e., I doubt it's because the people there are just less sexist than everyone else

I understand your point. I guess I am trying to highlight the fact that most sexism/racism these days are systematic. The people aren't probably less/more sexist than everyone else. But, they can build a culture that is less sexist.

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Post by danenania »

CryoLogic wrote: post #8
abalone wrote: post #5

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Seriously? I’m sure you’re first to comment about the inherent sexism in 90% male engineering leadership teams. Companies that focus on seeking out qualified talent from underrepresented groups have a competitive advantage, by exploiting the inherent prejudice in their competitors to access an undervalued talent pool. This in turn attracts even overrepresented talent that is motivated to work for teams with these pri…

He has a point if just by the math. I get it you want to support women, but many companies do discriminate against perfectly qualified men in order to get that. There is a far smaller supply of qualified women in engineering and engineering leadership right now. I've been on a team before where one member was adamant about throwing out resumes from white men for the sake of diversity. I know it happens. So yes, the c…

I wouldn't say anyone's resume should be thrown out, but building a team with diverse backgrounds and ways of thinking is a reasonable goal. A team of the top n qualified applicants (as individuals) isn't at all likely to be the best qualified team.

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Post by belorn »

abalone wrote: post #21
annexrichmond wrote: post #19

Earlier quoted context omitted.

overrepresented given some pool. Do you have data that suggests said pool is 50%, instead of replying to all my comments and calling me sexist?

“In 1970, only 7.6% of physicians were female. Today, approximately 30% of full time physicians are women and about 50% of medical school students are female. The vast improvement in statistics is not only promising but also inspiring for other divisions of the workforce that have not seen that quick of an improvement. However, upon diving deeper into statistics, it’s clear that gender still plays an unfair role in t…

In Sweden during 2012, over 99% of professional stone layers where males. This is professionals that install bathrooms, construct kitchen walls and stone floor. Similar, two other profession during same year had over 99% gender segregation and that was dentist nurses and midwifes with females being the dominating gender.

Then there were additional 3-4 professions with exactly 99% gender segregation. Mechanics (male), nurse secretary (female), but I don't remember the names of the other. All those professions existed where for every minority gender there where hundred or hundreds employed of the majority.

Is this proof of systemic sexism, and if so, what conclusion can we draw? Remember that in Sweden the number of employed women and men is only off by less than 1%, and only 12.5% of the population work in a profession where the majority gender is lesser than 150% to the minority. Of those 12.5%, men was that year slightly more likely to work in a gender equal profession.

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Post by joneholland »

venning wrote: post #18

Back of the envelope guesses for my own satisfaction: ">$100MM yearly" is, let's say, $8.5MM monthly. ">10,000 customers" is That's around $650-$750 per customer per month. "Hundreds of thousands of active users" means maybe 250,000-400,000. That's 20-35 users per customer, when split between 11,000-13,000 customers. That comes out to $21-$34 per user per customer per month, average (you can see pricing tiers here: h…

One thing that surprised me about PD is that their enterprise sales team didn’t want to play ball on an all you can eat license for a flat annual price.

Because of this, they are really at risk of being replaced in large companies that can fund a team to maintain a paging system as that ends up being cheaper than 5k licenses.

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