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Re: Homeland Security to Compile Database of Journalists, Bloggers

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"Despite what some reporters may suggest, this is nothing more than the standard practice of monitoring current events in the media. Any suggestion otherwise is fit for tin foil hat wearing, black helicopter conspiracy theorists." — https://twitter.com/SpoxDHS/status/982372727309963264 You're not a tin foil hat wearing, black helicopter conspiracy theorist, now are you?

That tweet might have been amusing if our President was not a tin foil hat wearing conspiracy theorist (not sure what he thinks about black helicopters).

Question for down voters: Can you seriously make a case that he is not a conspiracy theorist?

Re: Homeland Security to Compile Database of Journalists, Bloggers

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I guess they're also putting out tenders to sharpen the guillotines.

We'll see a lot of sock and meat puppets from the central panopticon playing in this discussion. They'll say how normal this is, nothing to worry about and insult those who are worried. Watch them, it's quite amusing.

Re: Homeland Security to Compile Database of Journalists, Bloggers

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

> Cambridge Analytica managed to affect U.S. elections with a small subset of this data. Is this an accepted fact now? I know they tried but is there hard proof that without them it would have been a different outcome?

I am pretty sure that they tried and had some effect. It is hard to estimate the magnitude of the effect and probably impossible to prove if they managed to sway the elections.

I am as incensed over Cambridge Analytica's effort to microtarget, as I was over OFA's similar effort, using similar data from similar sources ... though ... Cambridge's source was an allegedly dishonest broker from what has been reported, and OFA went to the source and got assistance.

The headline isn't and shouldn't be that Cambridge impacted the election. This is obviously not true. There are other similar claims about other entities impacting the election with positively miniscule spends on adverts that are even less true than this, but they seem to be taken as gospel as being true by some.

The headline should be that we all collectively give FB, Twitter, etc. as much information as we wish, are encouraged to provide more, and thus increasing the value of us as the commodity being sold.

I resisted FB for many years, until I saw it could be used as an communication system for my family (who were not responding to emails/calls). It has some value to me there.

But the sheer scale of the humint gathering, the analytics they are putting in place, boggles the mind.

Cambridge used a bad data broker, and did exactly what OFA did 4 years earlier. Mebbe we should focus our anger on this, and demand no microtargeting using socially derived data for elections. I didn't see anyone protesting that in 2012. Why now in 2016?

That's part of an important question to answer ... as we cannot excuse violations of privacy when it goes in a direction we like, versus a direction we don't.

Re: Homeland Security to Compile Database of Journalists, Bloggers

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

Tell that to the victims of the Holocaust

Last I checked, guns and gas killed them.

Why were those guns and gas used? Because of the hateful rhetoric of an evil man and an evil ideology.

Re: Homeland Security to Compile Database of Journalists, Bloggers

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First, this is somewhat ambitious... Second, what's the purpose of this? I can imagine it'll be quite useful to BBG properties like Voice of America, RadioFreeEurope and generally US government PR/propaganda, but how am I supposed to not worry that this will be used for censorship via US-based companies and some future law combating "fake news" and/or "hate speech"?

1. You got to start somewhere. 2. Data is valuable. 3. You can't. As you built more capabilities to process the data it becomes more valuable. Incidentally that is why I think Facebook is so valuable. Cambridge Analytica managed to affect U.S. elections with a small subset of this data.

>Incidentally that is why I think Facebook is so valuable. Cambridge Analytica managed to affect U.S. elections with a small subset of this data.

Facebook is powerful. I wouldn't call what Cambridge Analytica provided valuable.

Re: Homeland Security to Compile Database of Journalists, Bloggers

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First, this is somewhat ambitious... Second, what's the purpose of this? I can imagine it'll be quite useful to BBG properties like Voice of America, RadioFreeEurope and generally US government PR/propaganda, but how am I supposed to not worry that this will be used for censorship via US-based companies and some future law combating "fake news" and/or "hate speech"?

1. You got to start somewhere. 2. Data is valuable. 3. You can't. As you built more capabilities to process the data it becomes more valuable. Incidentally that is why I think Facebook is so valuable. Cambridge Analytica managed to affect U.S. elections with a small subset of this data.

As far as I know, there is no evidence Cambridge Analytica managed to affect U.S. elections. If you have, please share.

Re: Homeland Security to Compile Database of Journalists, Bloggers

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

Last I checked, guns and gas killed them.

Why were those guns and gas used? Because of the hateful rhetoric of an evil man and an evil ideology.

Speech didn't kill them a single bit more than water did, if you're using that logic:

What killed Holocaust victims? Gas. Why did they let that happen? Because the people forcing them to go in had guns. Why did they force them? Because they worked under a man who commanded that they be killed. How was he alive? Because he drank water, preventing him from dying of dehydration.

Re: Homeland Security to Compile Database of Journalists, Bloggers

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>Let's make a list of all gun owners >Let's make a list of all journalists Same thing, different amendment.

Speech has never killed a man.

But you agree that the motive in both cases is to take away constitutional rights.

Re: Homeland Security to Compile Database of Journalists, Bloggers

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post #29

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Speech has never killed a man.

But you agree that the motive in both cases is to take away constitutional rights.

No, I don't. The motive in the case of speech is to silence a populus/punish dissenters. The motive in the case of guns is quite overwhelmingly safety.
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