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Apple’s New Ad Conversion Tracking Will Benefit User Privacy

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Re: Apple’s New Ad Conversion Tracking Will Benefit User Privacy

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Apples fake privacy concerns. They allow apps like gas buddy to wholesale sell your real time location to governments by using vague language in their privacy policies (which I cannot even find a link to on their homepage).

> They allow apps like gas buddy to wholesale sell your real time location… You control this. I don't recall whether this app supports "Never" as a Privacy > Location Services choice, but you can choose "While Using" instead of "Always".

"Never" is always an option from my experience. I have never seen an app that doesn't allow to completely deny location access.

Re: Apple’s New Ad Conversion Tracking Will Benefit User Privacy

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post #7

Apples fake privacy concerns. They allow apps like gas buddy to wholesale sell your real time location to governments by using vague language in their privacy policies (which I cannot even find a link to on their homepage).

> Apples fake privacy concerns. Apple has been a loud, proven advocate and supporter of Privacy. This comment is all snark and nothing factual.

They have been loud, but it remains to be proven. The truth is that we don't really know what they do with our data.

Re: Apple’s New Ad Conversion Tracking Will Benefit User Privacy

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>The new APIs are part of the StoreKit framework and include a new class called SKAdNetwork. >With the new set of APIs, Apple will become the intermediary between the app and advertising network for conversion tracking, eliminating the need for apps to install third-party ad SDKs which potentially expose sensitive user data. Am I missing something or is this not really any different than the 3rd party ad SDK problem…

The way I understand this: doing this in your application requires you to have network access, which means you have to convince your user to give it to you. This gives you a way to count installs (and almost nothing else; you probably can assume arrival times correlate with time of installation and learn something about your global user base from that, but that’s all I can think of) without getting any permission fro…

Apps on iOS don’t need to ask for network access.

Re: Apple’s New Ad Conversion Tracking Will Benefit User Privacy

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post #21

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> They allow apps like gas buddy to wholesale sell your real time location… You control this. I don't recall whether this app supports "Never" as a Privacy > Location Services choice, but you can choose "While Using" instead of "Always".

"Never" is always an option from my experience. I have never seen an app that doesn't allow to completely deny location access.

> I have never seen an app that doesn't allow to completely deny location access.

That's because Apple explicitly tests for that during app review, and will reject apps which crash or refuse to work if they're denied access to Location Services or other APIs (photos, contacts, microphone, etc).

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

> Apples fake privacy concerns. Apple has been a loud, proven advocate and supporter of Privacy. This comment is all snark and nothing factual.

They have been loud, but it remains to be proven. The truth is that we don't really know what they do with our data.

Telling the FBI to bugger off when they came and asked apple to crack their own encryption isn't enough of an example, exigent as it may very well be, whatever your personal opinions of due process are?

Re: Apple’s New Ad Conversion Tracking Will Benefit User Privacy

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>The new APIs are part of the StoreKit framework and include a new class called SKAdNetwork. >With the new set of APIs, Apple will become the intermediary between the app and advertising network for conversion tracking, eliminating the need for apps to install third-party ad SDKs which potentially expose sensitive user data. Am I missing something or is this not really any different than the 3rd party ad SDK problem…

Its proponents will tell you this doesn't have any tracking in it. Fully anonymous. Only the advert's ID gets passed along to track conversion.

Who knows who could have clicked this advert, with the ID "Advert-presented-to-ugh123"? Could have been anyone. We've successfully masked out any tracking, hooray for Apple.

Also I don't know enough about in-app and app-to-app advertising, but I'm surprised if the mechanisms described are sufficient to keep everybody honest.

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>I can’t see Google and Facebook being thrilled about implementing support for this, but given the recent scandal involving Cambridge Analytica, Apple should have extra leverage to push them in this direction. If Apple makes it an App Store policy, what choice do they have?

Google and Facebook both interact with Apple in a lot of ways. If Apple makes it an App Store policy they will have options in how to attack back.

I think the poster 'IBM' was implying that in the current climate, Google and Facebook have to be a lot more careful in the "weapons of war" they use than Apple does. Not that Apple would be this evil, but in the current climate, Apple might even invite opportunity to provoke a response by Google or Facebook.

Re: Apple’s New Ad Conversion Tracking Will Benefit User Privacy

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> They allow apps like gas buddy to wholesale sell your real time location… You control this. I don't recall whether this app supports "Never" as a Privacy > Location Services choice, but you can choose "While Using" instead of "Always".

"Never" is always an option from my experience. I have never seen an app that doesn't allow to completely deny location access.

This is a new feature in iOS 11.

Re: Apple’s New Ad Conversion Tracking Will Benefit User Privacy

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"Never" is always an option from my experience. I have never seen an app that doesn't allow to completely deny location access.

> I have never seen an app that doesn't allow to completely deny location access. That's because Apple explicitly tests for that during app review, and will reject apps which crash or refuse to work if they're denied access to Location Services or other APIs (photos, contacts, microphone, etc).

So this is a non-issue. But technically, even if an app slips through the cracks and only allows "Always" and "While using the app" as options, you can force-quit the app without pressing either of the buttons on the modal and then deleting the app, thus not giving it any location information.

Re: Apple’s New Ad Conversion Tracking Will Benefit User Privacy

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

> Apples fake privacy concerns. Apple has been a loud, proven advocate and supporter of Privacy. This comment is all snark and nothing factual.

They have been loud, but it remains to be proven. The truth is that we don't really know what they do with our data.

Is there ANY evidence that they don’t do what their privacy policy says they do?
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