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Facebook reveals Russian troll content, shuts down 135 IRA accounts

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Re: Facebook reveals Russian troll content, shuts down 135 IRA accounts

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Are we ever going to see any of the controversial posts and ads that supposedly influenced the US election? I don't see anything US politics or election related in the samples they showed.

This is readily searchable, but here is an example:

http://money.cnn.com/2017/11/01/media/russian-facebook-ads-r...

Re: Facebook reveals Russian troll content, shuts down 135 IRA accounts

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post #17

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Just an order of magnitude guess. It could be tens of thousands, it could be millions, I'm just an outsider looking in. But it seems clear that it is at least a couple orders of magnitude more than just the 70 they found and publicized so far.

This is not how it works. The goal of these accounts was to build a following to be able to influence more people. A page with a couple of hundreds likes or followers will have much more impact than a million accounts with no followers. Building audiences to influence people is hard and takes time. It is much more probable that there are around 70 accounts than millions. Sorry to be that blunt but do you know anythin…

Do you know anything about this matter? The scope of this is still largely unknown, unless you have some information the rest of us don't.

Influence can be local. Generic-looking pages (i.e. not locale specific in the content they post) or accounts are often followed by people only from a specific small city and surrounding areas (10^4 people, say). Is it so hard to believe that accounts such as these were used by the IRA?

Re: Facebook reveals Russian troll content, shuts down 135 IRA accounts

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post #17

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Just an order of magnitude guess. It could be tens of thousands, it could be millions, I'm just an outsider looking in. But it seems clear that it is at least a couple orders of magnitude more than just the 70 they found and publicized so far.

This is not how it works. The goal of these accounts was to build a following to be able to influence more people. A page with a couple of hundreds likes or followers will have much more impact than a million accounts with no followers. Building audiences to influence people is hard and takes time. It is much more probable that there are around 70 accounts than millions. Sorry to be that blunt but do you know anythin…

They have different types of accounts for different purposes some are just used to comment or authenticate to 3d party sites and to comment there. They also serve as feeder accounts for the "core" accounts that are actually trying to build up followers.

Re: Facebook reveals Russian troll content, shuts down 135 IRA accounts

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Hmm, I guess I come from an older generation where mention of the "IRA" was a whole different genre of terrorism...

Yeah, I always thought IRA was the main acronym for the "Irish Republican Army". Weird that they used IRA in this article to mean something else. Has the main association changed?

Re: Facebook reveals Russian troll content, shuts down 135 IRA accounts

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post #3

> Facebook has removed 70 Facebook accounts, 138 Facebook Pages, and 65 Instagram accounts run by the Russian government-connected troll farm and election interference squad the Internet Research Agency This looks like a fairly small amount of accounts.

Small # of accounts, but massive amounts of followers/viewers. Kylie Jenner has a "fairly small amount of accounts" (ie one) on Twitter, but a single tweet can send a company's stock into the red[0].

0. http://money.cnn.com/2018/02/22/technology/snapchat-update-k...

Re: Facebook reveals Russian troll content, shuts down 135 IRA accounts

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post #9

IRA = Internet Research Agency for those confused by the title, i.e. the russian "troll" company.

Thanks for this. Reusing already-prominent acronyms gets really confusing although I know often it's unintentional. Many Americans won't know who the IRA were/are, but in the UK (and probably the rest of Europe) it's common knowledge and burnt in.

I'm american and remember some high profile movies that featured them. Then again, I'm almost 30. I thought it was common knowledge among many who the IRA were, even among americans.

Re: Facebook reveals Russian troll content, shuts down 135 IRA accounts

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post #4

From the provided sample content it appears to be rather harmless. Reminds me of buzz feed style posts.

Much of it seems to more be designed to sew discord between the parties than to directly influence the election.

Mission accomplished I guess.

Re: Facebook reveals Russian troll content, shuts down 135 IRA accounts

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post #28

Seems like a fairly small number for removing propaganda/state influence.. https://media.ccc.de/v/34c3-9233-uncovering_british_spies_we...

People can exert a lot of influence with just one account, and in this case it’s about 270 so far. You’d be surprised at how effective Sybil attacks are with far fewer than a dozen accounts, never mind hundreds. When those accounts build reputation, often assisted by more accounts, it’s even more powerful. Still, the biggest advantage is that you get to probe your audience multiple ways, then just go with what gains traction. The reputation of any one account doesn’t matter, it’s a “team” effort.

So while you or I might care about what we say, try to build a reputation, and in general say things in accordance with what we believe, they don’t have to. It’s a radically different proposition, and devastating when done well. Even being discovered can be its own kind of “win” if it creates distrust and instability within the network itself. You can undermine faith in said network by exposing it as essentially corrupted, albeit by you.

Re: Facebook reveals Russian troll content, shuts down 135 IRA accounts

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post #12
post #9

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Thanks for this. Reusing already-prominent acronyms gets really confusing although I know often it's unintentional. Many Americans won't know who the IRA were/are, but in the UK (and probably the rest of Europe) it's common knowledge and burnt in.

id say middle age and older people would. they were shown in various movies during the 90s but yea. younger people probably think of the IRA savings account.

We middle-aged folks also remember some big bombing incidents executed by the IRA. The IRA is still referenced in the news now and then.
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