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OVH CEO: Unlike Amazon, Google, “we will never be in competition with you”

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Re: OVH CEO: Unlike Amazon, Google, “we will never be in competition with you”

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

So there are fairly strong regulations on what other things a bank can do. I can't remember exactly what it entails. It's possible Amazon could get around that with holding company structure or something, but I'm not sure. I agree with your general point though, maybe just not the bank part. Edit1: It's not reg W, damn I cannot remember which section describes this. There's too many bank regs in the US. Edit2: ok 12…

There's a lot of banking regulations but Amazon has enough money to either buy an existing online solution or develop their own

In the US, owning a bank changes the regulatory status of the entire legal entity structure. This cannot be evaded with shell companies, etc. Specifically, “any company that controls a bank” is a Bank Holding Company and is regulated by the Federal Reserve (regardless of where the controlled bank is chartered). Being regulated by the Fed is a big deal and they can and will poke around in your non-bank subsidiaries (which are, after all, assets of the Bank holding company).

Re: OVH CEO: Unlike Amazon, Google, “we will never be in competition with you”

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I used to have a server with them however the UI was ...beyond words. It was impossible for me to renew my subscription because the site was throwing a JS error. Has this improved? Their offering was very good bang for buck I've seen.

I tried to delete my account back in 2012 or so and back then they were asking me to send a letter to their lawyers for that. OVH has left an atrocious taste in my mouth since.

Re: OVH CEO: Unlike Amazon, Google, “we will never be in competition with you”

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I run https://wtfismyip.com on OVH. Egress bandwidth exceeds 8TB a month, which on AWS could cost ~$1000/month, not including the cost of the beefy EC2 instance I would need. For some bandwidth heavy use cases, OVH makes a lot more sense than AWS. In my case it was $150/month versus $2000/month (bandwidth + EC2).

It’s plain text, how do you get to 8TB per month! Congrats on your site!

Re: OVH CEO: Unlike Amazon, Google, “we will never be in competition with you”

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I used to have a server with them however the UI was ...beyond words. It was impossible for me to renew my subscription because the site was throwing a JS error. Has this improved? Their offering was very good bang for buck I've seen.

Check out online.net. It's what I am using since a few months and I have a lot of OVH flashbacks when using their website. However, their support and their interface are good.

Re: OVH CEO: Unlike Amazon, Google, “we will never be in competition with you”

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I run https://wtfismyip.com on OVH. Egress bandwidth exceeds 8TB a month, which on AWS could cost ~$1000/month, not including the cost of the beefy EC2 instance I would need. For some bandwidth heavy use cases, OVH makes a lot more sense than AWS. In my case it was $150/month versus $2000/month (bandwidth + EC2).

It’s plain text, how do you get to 8TB per month! Congrats on your site!

2M hits per hour, 1M uniques. It's crazy!

Re: OVH CEO: Unlike Amazon, Google, “we will never be in competition with you”

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post #15

I run https://wtfismyip.com on OVH. Egress bandwidth exceeds 8TB a month, which on AWS could cost ~$1000/month, not including the cost of the beefy EC2 instance I would need. For some bandwidth heavy use cases, OVH makes a lot more sense than AWS. In my case it was $150/month versus $2000/month (bandwidth + EC2).

We run a chunk on OVH too. It is over 100X cheaper than AWS.

We have had some issues though. OVH had two major outages in the last two years. Our strategy has been to build a more robust distributed architecture and use these issues to be "antifragile," which improves our product while as still saving money.

Over time I expect OVH to become more solid as they mature.

Re: OVH CEO: Unlike Amazon, Google, “we will never be in competition with you”

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post #15

I run https://wtfismyip.com on OVH. Egress bandwidth exceeds 8TB a month, which on AWS could cost ~$1000/month, not including the cost of the beefy EC2 instance I would need. For some bandwidth heavy use cases, OVH makes a lot more sense than AWS. In my case it was $150/month versus $2000/month (bandwidth + EC2).

AWS bandwidth costs are obscene. They compete on price so well on most other fronts, but for some reason they just completely overcharge on bandwidth. It makes using them without a CDN cost prohibitive and drives a lot of use cases away from them.

Re: OVH CEO: Unlike Amazon, Google, “we will never be in competition with you”

#28
Important notes about OVH:

-I'm a customer for about ~2 years.

-I was "just" using OVH object storage, and was considering other OVH services.

-I'm all about "cheap,cheap,cheap"

-OVH is super-cheap, which is good.

-I want OVH to "win". OVH doesn't want to "win". Because..

-OVH is super-confusing. Interface, website, billing, everything.

-website uses esoteric design conventions. A European thing? I don't know.

-feels as if they went the extra mile to make it confusing. Defies belief!

-they have separate websites for different countries, which use different login credentials.

-they have "OVH credits". Why???

-they use OpenStack (Yay!). Unforuntely, they have a confusing implementation of OpenStack dashboard, AND on a separate site, with separate credentials.

Bottom line: I'm a tech-savvy guy who can absorb some pretty bad UX, but OVH made me cringe. Seriously, I do not exaggerate. Anytime I need to log on to OVH, I get an uneasy feeling. So, I gladly paid extra and switched. I use DigitalOcean now. It's not as cheap. Digital Oceans's UX is good, but not amazing. But believe you me, it is BREATHE OF FRESH AIR compared to OVH. Update: may post a video if you guys want me to. Let me know!

Re: OVH CEO: Unlike Amazon, Google, “we will never be in competition with you”

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I run https://wtfismyip.com on OVH. Egress bandwidth exceeds 8TB a month, which on AWS could cost ~$1000/month, not including the cost of the beefy EC2 instance I would need. For some bandwidth heavy use cases, OVH makes a lot more sense than AWS. In my case it was $150/month versus $2000/month (bandwidth + EC2).

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Re: OVH CEO: Unlike Amazon, Google, “we will never be in competition with you”

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I used to have a server with them however the UI was ...beyond words. It was impossible for me to renew my subscription because the site was throwing a JS error. Has this improved? Their offering was very good bang for buck I've seen.

Yeah their UI is beyond useless. Their support is beyond useless. Can't even cancel my servers, but everything else was great. Ended up having to use their API to cancel the server, since support wouldn't cancel the server for me - here is an actual email they sent me: https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DY2rWiLU8AA_mKt.jpg:large

It's weird because in every article I see about DigitalOcean, there's people saying "DO is stupid, they're overpriced, everyone should use OVH", yet in every article I see about OVH there are people complaining that OVH has some serious customer support and UX problems.
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