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Lyft commits to closing wage gaps across race and gender

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Re: Lyft commits to closing wage gaps across race and gender

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Post by dragonwriter »

romanovcode wrote: post #2

Why is it that Asian people are earning 2x more than white people yet article is focusing on "white men"? Nice journalism. Not biased at all. https://i.imgur.com/rjmHYk0.png

> Why is it that Asian people are earning 2x more than white people

They aren't. 2× more is 300% of the base value. Asian men make 117% of what white men make, Asian women make 87% of what white men make (or 106% of what white women make.) So, Asian people earn between 6% and 17% more, not “2× more”, than what white people of the same gender make.

Re: Lyft commits to closing wage gaps across race and gender

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Post by romanovcode »

dragonwriter wrote: post #21
romanovcode wrote: post #2

Why is it that Asian people are earning 2x more than white people yet article is focusing on "white men"? Nice journalism. Not biased at all. https://i.imgur.com/rjmHYk0.png

> Why is it that Asian people are earning 2x more than white people They aren't. 2× more is 300% of the base value. Asian men make 117% of what white men make, Asian women make 87% of what white men make (or 106% of what white women make.) So, Asian people earn between 6% and 17% more, not “2× more”, than what white people of the same gender make.

As someone else pointed out - yes, you are right and I was wrong. However the point stands - Asians make more money then everyone yet article points out how white men are earning more.

Again, I'm not trying to defend any white men or whatever, however don't you see the clear agenda this journalist is pushing?

Re: Lyft commits to closing wage gaps across race and gender

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Post by dragonwriter »

romanovcode wrote: post #17
tatotato wrote: post #8

Earlier quoted context omitted.

This is wrong. The article states Asian males earn 117% as much, which is just 17% more. This is one of the things that turns me off Hacker News, an overly strong bias in defense of white men.

Yes, you are right. But even so - the point stands. I'm not trying to defend anything, especially white men. I'm just saying this journalism is biased to portray white men in bad light.

How is the factually correct claim that white men, in the study, earn more than Black and Hispanic men, and more than women of any racial/ethnic category, painting them in a “bad light”?

Would there equally true statement that Asian men earn more than men of any other racial/ethnic category and more than women of any ethnic category be painting Asian men in a “bad light”?

Re: Lyft commits to closing wage gaps across race and gender

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Post by zxcba23sdf23 »

I'd rather Lyft commit to closing wage gaps across workers-managers

It's a joke to think a CEO is really generating 80x the typical pay of a worker in value.

Studies haven't been able to find any conclusion on HOW value is generated in the first place. They run into so many variables from go, it becomes a complicated mess.

This is basically "divine right" masquerading as quantitative measure. They're smart, yes? So of course they know they provide that much value, say the rubes who never question it.

Re: Lyft commits to closing wage gaps across race and gender

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Post by wu-ikkyu »

The central variable that creates the "gender pay gap" is not sexist employer discrimination. The gap is primarily created by the fact that women, more typically than men, are the ones who raise children full time.

https://www.creators.com/read/thomas-sowell/04/14/statistica...

Re: Lyft commits to closing wage gaps across race and gender

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Post by ghettoimp »

hudon wrote: post #18
vkou wrote: post #15

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The problem is not white men, the problem is that our society has many (but not all) systemic biases that benefits them, at the expense of others. Many of these biases are so ingrained, they are invisible. As a white man, I don't have to deal with many categories of bullshit that people of color and women are subjected to. I do have to deal with a few things that they don't, but there aren't many of them.

This seems like a wildly sexist and racist sentiment. Do you have any evidence that being a white man causes you to have greater opportunities?

Uh... yes?

Are you seriously proposing that our society doesn't give white men more opportunities than minorities and women? Or that they don't have to deal with shit that white men don't have to?

(If so I'd recommend the podcasts Reveal, Scene on Radio, Us and Them, and so forth.)

Re: Lyft commits to closing wage gaps across race and gender

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Post by ovao »

dragonwriter wrote: post #23
romanovcode wrote: post #17

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Yes, you are right. But even so - the point stands. I'm not trying to defend anything, especially white men. I'm just saying this journalism is biased to portray white men in bad light.

How is the factually correct claim that white men, in the study, earn more than Black and Hispanic men, and more than women of any racial/ethnic category, painting them in a “bad light”? Would there equally true statement that Asian men earn more than men of any other racial/ethnic category and more than women of any ethnic category be painting Asian men in a “bad light”?

I think the issue stems from the author pointing out that white male wages as statistically disconcerting with respect to the racial pay gap without raising the issue of Asian male wages as being the same.

Re: Lyft commits to closing wage gaps across race and gender

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Post by vkou »

wu-ikkyu wrote: post #19
vkou wrote: post #15

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The problem is not white men, the problem is that our society has many (but not all) systemic biases that benefits them, at the expense of others. Many of these biases are so ingrained, they are invisible. As a white man, I don't have to deal with many categories of bullshit that people of color and women are subjected to. I do have to deal with a few things that they don't, but there aren't many of them.

As a man, you're more likely to be murdered, killed in a war, commit suicide, die in a workplace accident, and be sentenced to prison disproportionately longer for the same crime as compared to women.

I'm also incredibly less likely to be raped, be the victim of domestic abuse from my partner, pressured by my boss for sex, have my qualifications questioned over my gender, low-balled on offers, negatively evaluated for expressing 'masculine' traits in the workplace, be low-balled on hiring offers, have my career suffer because of fears that I'll have a child and take paternity leave, should I keep going..?

The nature of privilege is that some people have more of it in certain contexts, and other people have more of it in other contexts. That doesn't mean that the playing field is equal.

And, uh, if I were a black or native man, I'd have all the problems you listed, and a whole bunch more.

Re: Lyft commits to closing wage gaps across race and gender

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Post by cbhl »

wu-ikkyu wrote: post #25

The central variable that creates the "gender pay gap" is not sexist employer discrimination. The gap is primarily created by the fact that women, more typically than men, are the ones who raise children full time. https://www.creators.com/read/thomas-sowell/04/14/statistica...

Yes, we should also be advocating for better paternity leave policies, so that men can take a bigger role in child care.

However, that does not mean companies shouldn't audit pay across race and gender, controlling for job role, level and performance.

Nor does it mean companies shouldn't audit performance reviews for inequity.

Nor does it mean companies shouldn't audit job role and level and promotion processes for inequity.

Nor does it mean companies shouldn't audit hiring processes for inequity.

Different people experience inequity in different ways. Some people experience it in more than one way. We need systemic solutions to address each of these failure modes.

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