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Re: Foxconn buys Belkin for $866M

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> You probably know Belkin for its various lines of accessories, peripherals, and assorted consumer electronics; Linksys, surely the most recognizable router brand, is a subsidiary. Apparently Cisco sold Linksys to Belkin in 2013. That's news to me.

Cisco had money burning a hole in their pocket and bought a some consumer stuff and then had no idea what to do with it ... so they sold most of it off, or simply discontinued it (like flip video).

Re: Foxconn buys Belkin for $866M

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post #2

Neat. Belkin was pretty crap about 7 years or so ago but they raised their game I find in the last couple years. They are pretty solid with decent prices now. I think there is a pretty good market for smart home accessories, various wifi enabled devices like powerstrips, lights, cameras, locks, alarm systems, etc. With Belkin's Walmart distribution network and their low costs, I think it may be something they could t…

last belkin items I had were:

* an outlet multipler/usb charging thing - died

* lighting cables of various lengths - all died

maybe I have bad luck, but it seems to me like they are still making garbage.

Re: Foxconn buys Belkin for $866M

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The only good Belkin product I have ever seen is their 12 outlet power strip. As a network engineer everything they make with an Ethernet/wifi interface is complete shit. But this is not really news, D-Link, Netgear, many of their competitors are also junk.

Every Belkin product I owned was garbage... but just like you I ran across a couple power strips that are surprisingly good.

I don't know if they bought someone who knew what they were doing with power strips or what, but .... i'm still using them.

Re: Foxconn buys Belkin for $866M

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It is a little disconcerting that Foxconn (subject to deep Chinese government overreach) will now own Linksys

I stopped buying linksys products a long time ago. Moved on to Netgear and Asus. But, doesn't Foxconn already manufacture a bunch of American products?

46% of Foxconn revenue comes from Apple (they manufacture iPhones) also Kindles, Xbox, PlayStation 4, Wii U, BlackBerries, lots of of Google's hardware, many Cisco's routers etc.

Re: Foxconn buys Belkin for $866M

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post #15

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Foxconn is Taiwanese like Asus, Acer, Gigabyte, MSI, MediaTek, D-Link, and HTC. Both Asus and D-Link are major router makers as well. Also fun fact, nearly all routers use the same chips from Boardcom. The majority of differences between routers is just firmware and packaging, the guts are all the same.

> The majority of differences between routers is just firmware and packaging, the guts are all the same. The firmware is the part you really have to worry about, though. But the proper solution is to simply never run the vendor's firmware on a consumer grade router, because none of them are any good at assembling and securing a Linux distribution.

Just check if they are compatible with dd-wrt or openwrt and flash it with opensource build.

Much easier than flashing cell phone and the open source version normally has more features also.

Re: Foxconn buys Belkin for $866M

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post #21
post #3

> You probably know Belkin for its various lines of accessories, peripherals, and assorted consumer electronics; Linksys, surely the most recognizable router brand, is a subsidiary. Apparently Cisco sold Linksys to Belkin in 2013. That's news to me.

Cisco had money burning a hole in their pocket and bought a some consumer stuff and then had no idea what to do with it ... so they sold most of it off, or simply discontinued it (like flip video).

Not the first time they entered and then abandoned the consumer space.

Once upon a time, they made NICs.

Re: Foxconn buys Belkin for $866M

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It is a little disconcerting that Foxconn (subject to deep Chinese government overreach) will now own Linksys

Foxconn is Taiwanese like Asus, Acer, Gigabyte, MSI, MediaTek, D-Link, and HTC. Both Asus and D-Link are major router makers as well. Also fun fact, nearly all routers use the same chips from Boardcom. The majority of differences between routers is just firmware and packaging, the guts are all the same.

The firmware is mostly the same as well.

Re: Foxconn buys Belkin for $866M

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post #23

The only good Belkin product I have ever seen is their 12 outlet power strip. As a network engineer everything they make with an Ethernet/wifi interface is complete shit. But this is not really news, D-Link, Netgear, many of their competitors are also junk.

Every Belkin product I owned was garbage... but just like you I ran across a couple power strips that are surprisingly good. I don't know if they bought someone who knew what they were doing with power strips or what, but .... i'm still using them.

I have a lot of these:

https://www.amazon.com/Belkin-12-Outlet-Protector-Protection...

My theory is that they are good because electrical safety is something that is actually regulated. UL and CE certification to sell as a consumer device. Whereas there is no penalty or regulation for shitty routers with shit firmware.

Re: Foxconn buys Belkin for $866M

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post #2

Neat. Belkin was pretty crap about 7 years or so ago but they raised their game I find in the last couple years. They are pretty solid with decent prices now. I think there is a pretty good market for smart home accessories, various wifi enabled devices like powerstrips, lights, cameras, locks, alarm systems, etc. With Belkin's Walmart distribution network and their low costs, I think it may be something they could t…

last belkin items I had were: * an outlet multipler/usb charging thing - died * lighting cables of various lengths - all died maybe I have bad luck, but it seems to me like they are still making garbage.

If you want good quality third party chargers and USB cables - buy Anker

Re: Foxconn buys Belkin for $866M

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post #15

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Foxconn is Taiwanese like Asus, Acer, Gigabyte, MSI, MediaTek, D-Link, and HTC. Both Asus and D-Link are major router makers as well. Also fun fact, nearly all routers use the same chips from Boardcom. The majority of differences between routers is just firmware and packaging, the guts are all the same.

> The majority of differences between routers is just firmware and packaging, the guts are all the same. The firmware is the part you really have to worry about, though. But the proper solution is to simply never run the vendor's firmware on a consumer grade router, because none of them are any good at assembling and securing a Linux distribution.

  > > The majority of differences between routers is just firmware and packaging, the guts are all the same.
  > 
  > The firmware is the part you really have to worry about, though
Professional quality routers often use ASICs to handle most of the processing, which is quite a bit faster, engineered to perform at specific workloads, and is more reliable. [1] Big iron gear are often specialized versions of blade servers. [2] And tons of software controls go into the CPU and software design to protect against firmware hacks, reverse-engineering, data exfiltration, counterfeit parts, insecure connections, license tampering, and hardening against internal compromise. [3] Aside from the CPUs and other guts inside the router, newer Cisco gear supports network adapters from Broadcom, Intel and QLogic.

[1] https://blogs.cisco.com/wireless/not-all-802-11ac-aps-are-cr... [2] https://www.cisco.com/c/en/us/products/servers-unified-compu... [3] https://www.design-reuse.com/articles/20671/security-embedde...

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