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Facebook Sued by Investors Over Voter-Profile Harvesting

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Re: Facebook Sued by Investors Over Voter-Profile Harvesting

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Facebook has lost almost $60 billion in value since the CA story broke. If you’re an investor, and this information wasn’t publicly available to you, you might feel aggrieved and want to seek compensation.

Should investors be able to sue a company anytime its stock goes down?

Someone pretty much always will. It's stupid.

Re: Facebook Sued by Investors Over Voter-Profile Harvesting

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Users did consent when they approved CA's app. The only argument that can be made is that they didn't fully know what they were consenting to.

Users that used the ‘CA’ mydigitallife app did consent, but the millions of other profiles that they were able to scrape in definitely didn’t consent.

This gets to the debate around if you can consent when giving up information about your friends. For example, is it OK for someone to give a company access to their phone's address book when the people in it haven't consented themselves?

Re: Facebook Sued by Investors Over Voter-Profile Harvesting

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

Facebook has lost almost $60 billion in value since the CA story broke. If you’re an investor, and this information wasn’t publicly available to you, you might feel aggrieved and want to seek compensation.

Should investors be able to sue a company anytime its stock goes down?

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Re: Facebook Sued by Investors Over Voter-Profile Harvesting

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"...defendants made false or misleading statements and failed to disclose that Facebook violated its own data privacy policies by allowing third parties access to personal data of millions of Facebook users without their consent..."

The "without their consent" part is BS, as is this lawsuit. When you use Facebook platform apps, you have to consent to the disclosure of your information to the developer, and have to agree to allow whatever special permissions the developer is asking for. As for friend data that apps may have access to, when you sign up for and use Facebook, you agree to the terms and conditions, which allow this behavior.

Investors had the opportunity to view both the developer platform policies and Facebook TOS long before they ever bought shares. If they didn't like the possible implications of them, they should not have invested. My guess is that this case will go nowhere.

Re: Facebook Sued by Investors Over Voter-Profile Harvesting

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I find it remarkable that when Obama did something similar in 2012, it was hailed as a major strength of his campaign and nobody had any problems with FB.

The data & privacy abuse by the Obama campaign was in fact dramatically worse. As an opinion piece at TheHill.com noted today:

> The former Obama director of integration and media analytics stated that, during the 2012 campaign, Facebook allowed the Obama team to “suck out the whole social graph”; Facebook “was surprised we were able to suck out the whole social graph, but they didn’t stop us once they realized that was what we were doing.” She added, “They came to [the] office in the days following election recruiting & were very candid that they allowed us to do things they wouldn’t have allowed someone else to do because they were on our side.”

It's universally understood why the media wasn't interested in turning that story into a scandal. When it's your team, you look the other way for the perceived greater good.

Re: Facebook Sued by Investors Over Voter-Profile Harvesting

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I find it remarkable that when Obama did something similar in 2012, it was hailed as a major strength of his campaign and nobody had any problems with FB.

Their work was upfront and they weren’t trying to buy info or hide behind an unrelated app. This feels scummy in comparison.

Their work was so “upfront” that FB internal monitoring alerts have fired from the spike in load, and FB assured them that this is OK and they are “on the same side”: https://www.google.com/amp/thehill.com/opinion/technology/37...

Bad optics, no matter how you slice it.

Re: Facebook Sued by Investors Over Voter-Profile Harvesting

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From the article, > “defendants made false or misleading statements and failed to disclose that Facebook violated its own data privacy policies by allowing third parties access to personal data of millions of Facebook users without their consent,” according to the complaint.

Users did consent when they approved CA's app. The only argument that can be made is that they didn't fully know what they were consenting to.

I'm not sure it's that straightforward -- from the Guardian's coverage:

"The data was collected through an app called thisisyourdigitallife, built by academic Aleksandr Kogan, separately from his work at Cambridge University. Through his company Global Science Research (GSR), in collaboration with Cambridge Analytica, hundreds of thousands of users were paid to take a personality test and agreed to have their data collected for academic use."

It's not clear to me whether the transfer of data from GSR to CA was legal, or covered in the ToS for the app.

I'd guess that end users agreed to blanket sharing of data in the FB ToS, but again I don't think we can be certain that their ToS covers exactly this situation -- according to FB, CA / GSR were in breach of their ToS agreements, which might mean they transitively caused FB to breach their agreements with their users. I'd be interested to hear theories from anyone with legal expertise, but I imagine we'll hear more before too long.

https://www.theguardian.com/news/2018/mar/17/cambridge-analy...

Re: Facebook Sued by Investors Over Voter-Profile Harvesting

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"...defendants made false or misleading statements and failed to disclose that Facebook violated its own data privacy policies by allowing third parties access to personal data of millions of Facebook users without their consent..." The "without their consent" part is BS, as is this lawsuit. When you use Facebook platform apps, you have to consent to the disclosure of your information to the developer, and have to ag…

This seems super obvious to me too. The more important question, from which this is a distraction, is: what was The Donald's role?

Re: Facebook Sued by Investors Over Voter-Profile Harvesting

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I find it remarkable that when Obama did something similar in 2012, it was hailed as a major strength of his campaign and nobody had any problems with FB.

IANAL but believe one key difference is if work is done by US citizens or green card holders.

Re: Facebook Sued by Investors Over Voter-Profile Harvesting

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

Facebook has lost almost $60 billion in value since the CA story broke. If you’re an investor, and this information wasn’t publicly available to you, you might feel aggrieved and want to seek compensation.

Should investors be able to sue a company anytime its stock goes down?

Facebook is a public company. They have strict rules related to informing stock owners and insider trading.

Investors should be able to win a lawsuit if they can prove that company did not immediately disclsee important information, falsified information or that some owners were privy to insider information when they traded (Zuk sold his shares in suspicious time).

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